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« on: February 14, 2012, 02:26:16 AM »

Report: Over 20 million US voter registrations have 'significant' errors

Published February 14, 2012
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OLYMPIA, Wash. –  Some 24 million voter registrations in the United States contain significant errors, including about 1.8 million dead people still on the rolls and many more approved to vote in multiple states, according to a report released Tuesday.

Even though the inaccuracies impact one in eight registrations, researchers at the Pew Center on the States said they don't see it as an indicator of widespread fraud. Rather, they believe outdated systems are failing to keep pace with the most basic changes in people's lives, feeding perceptions that U.S. elections are not as airtight as they could be.

In conjunction with Pew's report, eight states said they are working this year on a centralized data system to help identify people whose registrations may be out of date.

"A lot of people probably assume we do this already," said Sam Reed, who oversees elections as Washington's secretary of state. "I think it's going to bring more trust and confidence in the election system."

About 2.7 million people have active registrations in multiple states, including about 2,000 people registered in four or more states, according to the Pew report. Elections officials said it is difficult to track when someone has moved to another state without canceling their previous registration.

Some 1.8 million deceased people are still listed as active voters, according to the study, which is based on a computer analysis of a proprietary voter database used by Democrats. Researchers believe 12.7 million records do not reflect the current addresses of active voters while 12 million contain address inaccuracies, including those that make it unlikely that mail could reach them.

Some of the files contain multiple problems, with Pew estimating that a total of 24 million have problems.

The numbers are at least partially supported by anecdotal evidence. For example, Washington state and Alaska -- one of the nation's least populous states -- compared each other's voter registration systems last year and found an estimated 4,500 duplicates.

The eight states involved in the centralization project are Colorado, Delaware, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Virginia and Washington.

Pew believes the centralized system and online voter registrations will help save money by eliminating the need to print millions of forms, enter data by hand or send mail to outdated or incorrect addresses.

"That's a tremendous cost to the taxpayers," said David Becker, director of Election Initiatives at the Pew Center on the States. The centralized system has not settled on participation fees yet but is expected to be in the tens of thousands of dollars per state per year.

The Brennan Center for Justice, which has been working on voter registration issues, is also pushing for a modernization of the system but cautions that states need to take particular care to not rush to eliminate voters from their rolls. Lawrence Norden, an attorney at the center, said there have been a number of cases in recent years where people have been improperly removed from the system based on an incomplete match -- for example, two people who have the same name and birthdate.

"This is something that has to be done very carefully," he said.

Some states have adopted laws in the last couple years to require photo IDs to vote -- hoping it would prevent fraud even though examples of such cheating are rare. That tactic was one the Brennan Center is directly opposing.

Linda Lamone, the administrator of elections in Maryland, said the Pew work has already pushed the state toward online voter registration, which will also allow voters to update their information electronically. Maryland has also changed its system so that voters who choose to register while getting a driver's license must complete the process there. Previously, voters had to separately file paperwork and the state ended up having conflicting information about registrants.

Lamone said dead people who are registered in the state but end up dying in another state that does not actively share death information can leave deceased voters on the rolls. She said the centralized system will help ease those administrative challenges.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/14/report-over-20-million-us-voter-registrations-have-significant-errors/#ixzz1mL4QHrnK
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 07:23:16 AM »

The concept of voluntary, decentral registration is not so much "flawed" as it is an error. In the "SAP doesn't have bugs, SAP is a bug" sense.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 10:20:42 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Saying Philadelphia's election system had collapsed under "a massive scheme" by Democrats to steal a State Senate election in November, a Federal judge today took the rare step of invalidating the vote and ordered the seat filled by the Republican candidate.

In making such a sweeping move, the judge, Clarence C. Newcomer of Federal District Court here, did for the Republicans what the election had not: enable them to regain control of the State Senate, which they lost two years ago.

Judge Newcomer ruled that the Democratic campaign of William G. Stinson had stolen the election from Bruce S. Marks in North Philadelphia's Second Senatorial District through an elaborate fraud in which hundreds of residents were encouraged to vote by absentee ballot even though they had no legal reason -- like a physical disability or a scheduled trip outside the city -- to do so.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 10:48:03 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Saying Philadelphia's election system had collapsed under "a massive scheme" by Democrats to steal a State Senate election in November, a Federal judge today took the rare step of invalidating the vote and ordered the seat filled by the Republican candidate.

In making such a sweeping move, the judge, Clarence C. Newcomer of Federal District Court here, did for the Republicans what the election had not: enable them to regain control of the State Senate, which they lost two years ago.

Judge Newcomer ruled that the Democratic campaign of William G. Stinson had stolen the election from Bruce S. Marks in North Philadelphia's Second Senatorial District through an elaborate fraud in which hundreds of residents were encouraged to vote by absentee ballot even though they had no legal reason -- like a physical disability or a scheduled trip outside the city -- to do so.

I'm not really getting the connection here.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 11:42:31 AM »

Yes, obviously.
Some European ones are awful with their requirement to be registered by the December 31st of the preceding year.

Here, I got automatically registed at 18 and there is a part of the tax returns and of the Census form where they offer to register on the electoral rolls.

And they send you each election a card which says your precinct. If you don't receive it, you know you aren't registered and you can register.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 12:19:30 PM »

And they send you each election a card which says your precinct. If you don't receive it, you know you aren't registered and you can register.

Same like here in Austria. But if you don't get your election info, you are not automatically not registered, it could also be a f**kup by the postal office to deliver the election notice.

In general you are mandated in Austria to register at the town hall of the city where you rent/buy your apartment/house, and register within 3 days of doing so. If not, you can be fined up to 3000$. Because of this requirement, all towns and cities have up-to-date voter rolls. These voter rolls are open to the public at the town hall for a period of 10 days ahead of the election. So, if you don't get your election info by post you can go to the town hall, ask an employee if or why you are not registered and the case gets solved.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 02:07:31 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Saying Philadelphia's election system had collapsed under "a massive scheme" by Democrats to steal a State Senate election in November, a Federal judge today took the rare step of invalidating the vote and ordered the seat filled by the Republican candidate.

In making such a sweeping move, the judge, Clarence C. Newcomer of Federal District Court here, did for the Republicans what the election had not: enable them to regain control of the State Senate, which they lost two years ago.

Judge Newcomer ruled that the Democratic campaign of William G. Stinson had stolen the election from Bruce S. Marks in North Philadelphia's Second Senatorial District through an elaborate fraud in which hundreds of residents were encouraged to vote by absentee ballot even though they had no legal reason -- like a physical disability or a scheduled trip outside the city -- to do so.

A simple example of the outcomes of deeply flawed voter registration systems.

I'm not really getting the connection here.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 05:16:04 PM »

I have no idea what you think absentee ballot requests have to do with this sort of voter registration issue, Krazen.  Explain?
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 05:33:02 PM »

I have no idea what you think absentee ballot requests have to do with this sort of voter registration issue, Krazen.  Explain?

Read the rest of the link and it will be quite clear. Better registration will certainly aid in preventing the dead from voting.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 05:36:59 PM »

I have no idea what you think absentee ballot requests have to do with this sort of voter registration issue, Krazen.  Explain?

Read the rest of the link and it will be quite clear. Better registration will certainly aid in preventing the dead from voting.

You'll need to connect the dots for me here, man, I have ahead cold, and the rest of the link is not making the case clear either.
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