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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« on: February 17, 2012, 04:22:55 PM »

Economics: my views have gradually shifted to the right and continue to do so. This doesn't mean that I'm on the verge of becoming a neo-liberal or voting for Andrew Cuomo in a primary but I'm not fond of nationalization anymore and think that full employment as a goal is ridiculous. My views are pretty mainstream among social democrats, that wasn't the case a few years ago when I believed in naive ideas.

Cultural issues: my views have gradually shifted to the left on cultural issues as I ditched more and more of my early adolescent Christianity and my town's values. The older I grew, the more I grew to despise what I termed as archaic notions. My score has shifted from -0.17 to -8. At this point, I don't have the same taboos as everyone else. I'm sure this will slowly change as my disdain for individualism and lax social order has grown.
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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 09:39:00 PM »

Probably easier to list what I haven't changed my mind on. I always strongly opposed amnesty, multiculturalism, relativism, affirmative action, gun bans, and sexual prudery (or at least, thought that people should have a choice to have sex or look at porn or whatever even when I was religious). Of course, I've trended hard to "the right" (alert the SPLC!) since the bail outs and the current joke President assumed office.

Quasi-fascism is pretty fun, huh?
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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 08:55:57 PM »

Probably easier to list what I haven't changed my mind on. I always strongly opposed amnesty, multiculturalism, relativism, affirmative action, gun bans, and sexual prudery (or at least, thought that people should have a choice to have sex or look at porn or whatever even when I was religious). Of course, I've trended hard to "the right" (alert the SPLC!) since the bail outs and the current joke President assumed office.

Quasi-fascism is pretty fun, huh?

Ah so you're calling Mr. Dees then?

What is objectionable about "multiculturalism" and some sort of path to citizenship?
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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 04:32:36 PM »

Probably easier to list what I haven't changed my mind on. I always strongly opposed amnesty, multiculturalism, relativism, affirmative action, gun bans, and sexual prudery (or at least, thought that people should have a choice to have sex or look at porn or whatever even when I was religious). Of course, I've trended hard to "the right" (alert the SPLC!) since the bail outs and the current joke President assumed office.

Quasi-fascism is pretty fun, huh?

Ah so you're calling Mr. Dees then?

What is objectionable about "multiculturalism"

Several reasons:

1. High levels of diversity - religious, racial, whatever - tend to erode social trust (see Robert Putnam's work on this). Although even before I read that it was pretty self evident to me just looking at the real world: look how Scandinavian nations or Japan function. Then look at the attitudes of more diverse areas. People unfortunately tend to only trust "their own kind," particularly in anglo-saxon societies. It's not an insurmountable problem, there are some societies like Singapore for example that are highly diverse yet have high levels of trust in institutions and efficiency. But those tend to not be liberal democracies and they seem to be the minority. I just don't have a very rosy view of human nature in general. Again, one of the reasons I've never really identifies as a liberal or "progressive" or whatever.

2. Not every (sub)culture is compatible with one another or wants to co-exist. I don't mean that in a veiled anti-muslim way either, or at least I'm not singling out muslims when there are plenty of Christians that want to criminalize who I am or worse for example... Having a functioning society means that there has to be some degree of assimilation, conformity, what have you. I think we've failed at that.

3. Let me put it this way: Today people are generally horrified by the IMMENSE pressure we put on southern and eastern Europeans to basically become as much as possible like the WASP majority. We made them drop their names, customs, food, religion, etc. But how successfully do you think Italians, Greeks, Poles, Russians, etc. would have assimilated into society if we had more modern policies in place? Like bilingual education, ballots, housing forms, mandated recognition of their customs/holidays, government recognition of them as separate ethnicities, etc..? They wouldn't have assimilated as fast if ever. Doubtful they'd be perceived as white eventually either. And obviously a lot of people in those groups are as dark if not darker looking than "hispanics."

1. The Japan comparison is apt (multiculturalism will never work there for obvious reasons but Japan is a basket case in general anyway) but Muslims in Europe are actually integrating at a fairly rapid clip and the public is as generally supportive of immigration as we are:


2. Muslims and Christians can co-exist, the problem is an economic one. Many Muslims are essentially trapped in ghettos where they can't find economic opportunities which leads to unnecessarily high amounts of tension. The riots in France didn't occur because of Islamist extremism, they occurred because the banileue had excessive unemployment and police profiling. French Muslims are actually as secular as American Christians.


Islam is a very unifying religion that has a stronger identity for obvious reasons but there are clear examples that assimilation is happening and at a rapid rate. It's only been a few decades since Islamic immigration started and already it's becoming secular/progressive and opportunities are opening up.

In my view, multiculturalism isn't about preventing assimilation. It's about promoting a shared assimilation of sorts; instead of one group just adopting new customs and ideals as quickly as possible there is a sharing process that benefits both nations. I don't see how bilingualism, new architecture and different prevalent religious identities are harmful as long as they are properly integrated into society. I guess you could say that I support multiculturalism because I view it as a way of harmonizing society as opposed to assimilating through blatant racist societal pressures. Assimilation should come slower, be a two-way street and should accommodate minority groups to an extent. Minority groups retaining some of their identity is a strength, not a weakness.
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