Police Commisioner Elections : November 2012

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's not really worth their while standing candidates anyway.

[doktorb]

South Yorkshire: EngDem/UKIP/Con/LD/Lab

Ugh.  I have a particular dislike for the English Democrats, and a sort of paranoid fear involving  them and low turnout SV elections.

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Is that the registered description of a political party?

Yes it is.

[Andrew1]

South Yorkshire: EngDem/UKIP/Con/LD/Lab

Ugh.  I have a particular dislike for the English Democrats, and a sort of paranoid fear involving  them and low turnout SV elections.

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Is that the registered description of a political party?

Yes it is.

Registered specifically for this election by Kevin Hurley of Surrey, listed as party leader in the register.

Curiously one Green is standing despite his party's opposition to elected commissioners.

The English Dems seem to be the only party using an additional slogan: "More Police - Catching Criminals!"

Of the 33 areas that have published lists so far, UKIP have 21 candidates, LDs 20.

Six Independents in Devon & Cornwall is going to be a mess!

[Silent Hunter]

Blair (not that one) calls for boycott

[Andrew1]

Suffolk Con/Lab/UKIP/Ind
Gloucs. Con/Lab/LD/Ind
Norfolk Con/Lab/LD/UKIP/Ind
Staffs. Con/Lab
N. Yorks. Con/Lab
Durham Con/Lab/UKIP/Ind
Avon/Som. Con/Lab/LD/Ind
Herts. Con/Lab/LD/UKIP
Lincs. Con/Lab/Ind/Ind/"Campaign to stop politicians running policing"

Two more areas will not have the delights of SV

[Andrew1]

So that's a grand total of:
Con 41
Lab 41
LD 24
UKIP 24
Ind 54
Eng Dems 5
Green 1
BFP 1
Justice & Anti-Corruption 1
Zero Tolerance Policing 1
Campaign to Stop Politicians Running Policing 1

[Filuwaúrdjan]

One of Plaid's AMs has endorsed Tal Michael. You do not win a prize for successfully guessing which one...

[YL]

Some discussion of possible results on LabourList

From that article, just based on 2010 results, Labour would have won Merseyside, South Wales, Gwent, Greater Manchester, Cleveland, West Midlands, West Yorkshire, North Wales, Nottinghamshire, Durham, Northumbria and South Yorkshire, the Lib Dems would have won Avon & Somerset, and the Tories everywhere else.

If the turnout is as low as some people are suggesting (there's a suggestion that it could be as low as 10%, which sounds like expectation management to me) then I suppose other elections in some areas could cause differential turnout effects on the results, e.g. the Bristol mayoral election in Avon & Somerset and the Corby by-election in Northants.  Both of those would tend to help Labour, though they might need a lot of helping in both cases.

[You kip if you want to...]

Anyone who even tries to use these results to weigh up 2015 is insane.

[YL]

Anyone who even tries to use these results to weigh up 2015 is insane.

... or a hack for whichever party the results make look good.

[You kip if you want to...]

Anyone who even tries to use these results to weigh up 2015 is insane.

... or a hack for whichever party the results make look good.

Although, it should be accepted that it'd be shocking if the LibDems won anywhere...

[doktorb]

Make no mistake, people will try and spin these results as good/bad/otherwise.

The fact that they're in England and Wales only, using two different voting systems, without a full slate by all parties, mean nowt.

[minionofmidas]

Make no mistake, people will try and spin these results as good/bad/otherwise.

The fact that they're in England and Wales only, using two different voting systems, without a full slate by all parties, mean nowt.

They are not using two different voting systems - it's just that SV (or even AV) with two candidates is indistuingishable from fptp.

[YL]

There are candidate statements on http://www.choosemypcc.org.uk/

I haven't found any obvious nutters among the Independents yet, but I haven't looked very hard.

[You kip if you want to...]

I love how the BNP have jumped on the "we don't like politicised police" bandwagon because they can't afford to run candidates.

[Leftbehind]

There are candidate statements on http://www.choosemypcc.org.uk/

I haven't found any obvious nutters among the Independents yet, but I haven't looked very hard.

It's the Mervyn Barrett's I want to find, but unfortunately it's next to impossible.

[Andrea]

Labour candidate in Northamptonshire committed a minor offence 20+ years ago and didn't tell it earlier. It's too late to withdraw, so he will stay on the ballot paper.

[You kip if you want to...]

Labour candidate in Northamptonshire committed a minor offence 20+ years ago and didn't tell it earlier. It's too late to withdraw, so he will stay on the ballot paper.

I feel like the government's trying to punk us with these elections.

[You kip if you want to...]

Labour candidate in Northamptonshire committed a minor offence 20+ years ago and didn't tell it earlier. It's too late to withdraw, so he will stay on the ballot paper.

I feel like the government's trying to punk us with these elections.

Bloody hell, only just found out that they're using SV as well. If that's the case, I'm voting independent for first choice in protest.

[alexmanu]

100% not voting.

This is just another layer for the Tories to blame when their stupid ideas mess up. Like the guy at the Border Agency who carried out Theresa May's orders. Then when it went wrong, she denied knowledge and sacked him. Another case of rich people sacking the servants.

By having elected people who may or may not know anything at all about the intricacies of policing. The Tories are putting up patsies, for when their ideologically driven ideas go wrong. Rather than take the blame they can then pass it all onto whatever patsy is in charge of wherever the shirt hits the fan.

Voting for a Police Commissioner, is a vote for Tory dogma. So I will not be voting.

[doktorb]

Alexmanu, you are slightly wrong with the Border Agency case. It was clear that he had gone beyond the instructions he had been given. Whether Theresa May was completely innocent is a matter for another thread

In any case, I doubt every winning Commissioner would be a Conservative, either, so you might  be misguided to label them all proponents of Tory dogma (whatever that may be)

BUT, all that said, I'm not entirely sure that I'd be voting with great enthusiasm either!

[freefair]

I admire the whole "vote for everything" idea the proponent of this, Daniel Hannan MEP and Douglas Carlswell MP, imported from across the pond, but they should have at least held this on local election day.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Why do you admire it, when it will not improve anything and will likely result in problems in some areas, possibly serious ones? Back when oversight of policing was controlled by the Watch Committees of the relevant local authorities, there were sometimes problems of a sort that is not healthy to have. And that was without a personal mandate for a single individual. Police Authorities aren't perfect, but as a least-worst option...

[Leftbehind]

It's not "vote for everything", is it? It's vote for offering some needless figurehead a disgustingly high salary at a time of mass redundancies. Why? As manualex says, it's chiefly so government gets to wash its hands of failures, and use that high wage to demand the impossible. 

If it were actually "vote for everything" you can bet those nominally libertarian twats wouldn't be found supporting it.

[minionofmidas]

I say every single police officer should be up for reelection by the residents of his beat every other week.