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« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2012, 04:44:48 PM »

I support Rahm and hope he succeeds.
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« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2012, 11:45:18 PM »

The strike is on!

Chicago liberals are getting what they vote for. It's glorious comeuppance.
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« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2012, 11:11:02 AM »

perhaps the last stand in the fight against privatization of education -- while I'm not optimistic, God bless.

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« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2012, 02:07:24 PM »

One of the things I hate most about Florida law is a ban on strikes by public employees. My best to the teachers and people of Chicago.
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« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2012, 02:31:09 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2012, 02:56:39 PM by Iatrogenesis »

The Neoliberal technocrat notion of "Education reform" which seems to be popular on a bipartisan basis in the US right now is simply one of the worst ideas ever. And so while I'm not really following this strike, I hope Rahm loses.
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« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2012, 02:39:17 PM »

The Neoliberal technocrat notion of "Education reform" which seems to be popular on a bipartisan basis in the US right now is simply one of the worst ideas ever. And so I'm not really following this strike, I hope Rahm loses.

The rhetoric of reform applied to an agenda of destruction is at the heart of the neo-liberal project, of course.
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« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2012, 02:57:42 PM »

The Neoliberal technocrat notion of "Education reform" which seems to be popular on a bipartisan basis in the US right now is simply one of the worst ideas ever. And so I'm not really following this strike, I hope Rahm loses.

The rhetoric of reform applied to an agenda of destruction is at the heart of the neo-liberal project, of course.

Of course. But American "Education reform" is particularly fashionable right now despite its obvious odiousness so I felt a comment was necessary. Don't wish to sit on the fence and all that...
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« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2012, 04:11:15 PM »

Didn't know you were a neoliberal too.
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« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2012, 04:14:14 PM »


"we are all neoliberals now"  -George Monbiot
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« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2012, 04:15:04 PM »

One of the things I hate most about Florida law is a ban on strikes by public employees. My best to the teachers and people of Chicago.

New York law too Sad  as many other places too.  it was effectively common law illegal in plenty of places before it was statutory.
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« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2012, 05:25:20 PM »

One of the things I hate most about Florida law is a ban on strikes by public employees. My best to the teachers and people of Chicago.

New York law too Sad  as many other places too.  it was effectively common law illegal in plenty of places before it was statutory.

That isn't that bad, simply because if it's statutory it can be repealed by a legislature. In Florida it's written into the Constitution and would take an amendment and 6/10ths of the voters to undo it Sad
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« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2012, 05:29:19 PM »

One of the things I hate most about Florida law is a ban on strikes by public employees. My best to the teachers and people of Chicago.

New York law too Sad  as many other places too.  it was effectively common law illegal in plenty of places before it was statutory.

That isn't that bad, simply because if it's statutory it can be repealed by a legislature. In Florida it's written into the Constitution and would take an amendment and 6/10ths of the voters to undo it Sad

and/or a whole lot of blood on the streets.
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« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2012, 05:52:30 PM »

God bless Rahm Emanuel, God bless Andrew Cuomo. God bless reformists.
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« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2012, 08:37:32 PM »

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« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2012, 09:30:29 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2012, 09:32:09 PM by krazen1211 »

The teachers are likely to continue the strike tomorrow. Clearly they think they can smash Rahm Emanuel and the people of Chicago and run off with the treasury.

Of course, the city of Chicago is plagued with a $650ish million deficit.


It apparently takes a massive 30,000 staff to educate a mere 350,000 students nowadays.
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« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2012, 10:57:17 PM »

I've always found the American obsession with class sizes to be bizarre. After all, Japanese/Korean schools run 50 student classes with very few administrative personnel and they do fine.
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« Reply #91 on: September 10, 2012, 11:00:11 PM »

I've always found the American obsession with class sizes to be bizarre. After all, Japanese/Korean schools run 50 student classes with very few administrative personnel and they do fine.

The union lords get more profit with more teachers, and can funnel more money to the Democratic party.
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« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2012, 11:08:14 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2012, 11:23:48 PM by patrick1 »

I've always found the American obsession with class sizes to be bizarre. After all, Japanese/Korean schools run 50 student classes with very few administrative personnel and they do fine.

The union lords get more profit with more teachers, and can funnel more money to the Democratic party.

Good grief to both of these posts....

There are slight culture differences between the US and those countries. This is especially so in how one treats their elders, the higher level of respect given to teachers and there are less broken homes. You have a stable environment/upbringing and you have better behaved students.  Now class sizes in Catholic schools were larger and it wasn't an issue. Of course that is largely because if you misbehaved they could just kick you out. Public schools don't really have the option of culling the flock.


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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2012, 09:08:02 AM »

Chicago Teachers Union
Teachers went into 63rd street police station to use bathroom and got a standing ovation from police



getting the cops on board w/strikes is always a HUGE deal
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« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2012, 12:48:28 PM »


I would support a reduction in pension benefits with increases in salary (which actually would be opposed by most politicians since it would require immediate tax increases). I don't believe in burdening our generation with paying for the political capital of current politicians.
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« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2012, 12:58:39 PM »


I would support a reduction in pension benefits with increases in salary (which actually would be opposed by most politicians since it would require immediate tax increases). I don't believe in burdening our generation with paying for the political capital of current politicians.

Posts like the above are the reason that I still have hope for you guy.  Underneath that PC mantle of yours is a seething core of hard headed thinking and realism, and a sense of Old Testament justice. Tongue
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« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2012, 02:53:26 PM »

The strikers have gone waaay too far:



Krazey was right all along.  These people are savages.
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« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2012, 03:54:52 PM »


I would support a reduction in pension benefits with increases in salary (which actually would be opposed by most politicians since it would require immediate tax increases). I don't believe in burdening our generation with paying for the political capital of current politicians.

Posts like the above are the reason that I still have hope for you guy.  Underneath that PC mantle of yours is a seething core of hard headed thinking and realism, and a sense of Old Testament justice. Tongue
What's wrong with higher pensions? It allows for better lifestyles for everyone, since the retirees tend to move to nice places, and if they control higher GDP, more people will follow?
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« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2012, 04:03:43 PM »

The problem is the kids not the teachers. The kids nowadays are lazy f[inks] who don't try and whose parents are too inept to motivate them to study and do well in school. If kids actually studied and worked hard in school, these schools would be performing fine. Instead, parents excuse their terrible parenting by blaming teachers.
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« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2012, 04:13:38 PM »

This is a ready-made solution looking for its problem. No matter what the problems with the American education system actually were, this would be the recommended 'cure' of the Emmanuel Rahm's of this world. But I do repeat myself.
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