Ability to Outsource: Good or Bad?

[Antonio the Sixth]

It is good for businesses, bad for a society.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It is good for businesses, bad for a society.

Bad for whose society? I'm quite sure the people who get the outsourced jobs in the other country are quite glad to have the opportunity.

But those people are poor and brown, John. No proper left-winger would care about them.

Gustaf's philosophy : "if you disagree with me you must be a racist, a sexist or somehow a bad person".

Anyways, the "benefits" of outsourcing for developing countries is only an illusion. In the end, it always ends up as a way for companies to pressure countries to cut taxes and worker protections. Developing countries benefit from it because their population is miserable and therefore has no choice but working in inhumane conditions and without any social protection. While human progress would imply that these countries gradually develop a comprehensive welfare system protecting the poorer and guaranteeing reasonable levels of equality, outsourcing totally subverts the process, leading the advanced countries to gradually dismantle this system. This is a case study of how competition can, at the end of the day, harm everybody.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lol. Coming from someone who's never shown any respect for any dissenting opinion on anything

This is obviously false. There are several people in this forum who could easily prove you wrong.

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This is also a lie. I called you a bigot, and, with this post, you proved me right once again.

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I don't know if I'm supposed to represent "the Westerners" in your metaphor, but I just made a very simple point showing why the "benefits" of outsourcind for poor people in the 3rd world are only apparent. But you, instead of addressing my post, just disregarded it with scorn, as you do every time someone says something you disagree with. Since you are unable to address a point with rational arguments, you engage in strawmen and indirect name-calling cowardly covered-up as "sarcasm".

The same dirty tactics you used when I dared to challenge your stereotypes regarding french "culture" and your propension to find someone guilty based on these stereotypes.

In other words, Gustaf, you are a despicable, self-righteous moron. See you next time.

[Antonio the Sixth]

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If "right-wingers" are people like BigSkyBob, Politico or CaDan, I really don't see where the problem is. Their being morons is pretty much a consensus on this forum, and rightfully so.

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Yeah, OK. Pathetic strawman is pathetic.

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Name-calling and emotions. Right.

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The point is that the businesses don't go in developing countries for the sake of helping poor people, they go there because being in a poor country allows them to make higher profits. As soon as their financial advantage disappears (ie when people start asking for slightly more humane wages) they'll go elsewhere or threaten to do so in order to force a country not to develop as it should. This is what is happening in China right now.

Of course at the micro level, outsourcing may bring a few jobs to a region, but if you look at the big picture, it's hard to see any advantage, as all countries are forced to "compete" with each other in order to attract businesses. This is the typical case when individual interests and collective interests diverge. And BTW, why do you assume development would be impossible without foreign intervention ?

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Yes, people who can't make a single point without recurring to strawmen and dismiss valid arguments with unjustified remarks are, in my view, morons. And I also said "despicable" and "self-righteous".