Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney 2012

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

I'm still hopeful there are some interesting 3rd party choices, but with the options limited to those two...Obama....he has the better singing voice.

Lucifer had a great singing voice too...

You've met Lucifer?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Governor Mitt Romney/Governor Bob McDonnell                    275 EV  48.76% PV   
President Barack Obama/Vice President Joe Biden                263 EV  48.59% PV

The election goes back and forth all night until Romney is declared the winner at 3:16 AM  the morning following election day.

President Obama gives a most gracious concession speech wishing Romney well, and pledges his complete cooperation during the transition.  President Elect Romney gives an equally gracious victory speech, calling on the nation to unite, and to work with him in addressing the important issues facing America.   

Wasn't Romney supposed to win California?

[Old Man Willow]

Romney needs to focus on the upper midwest. People will say he's a poor fit for the region, but Bush was as working class conservative as you can get and he lost all but IA against the liberal elite. If Romney campaigns as a pragmatic businessman focused on creating jobs he should be competetive in IA, MN, WI & MI.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Romney needs to focus on the upper midwest. People will say he's a poor fit for the region, but Bush was as working class conservative as you can get and he lost all but IA against the liberal elite. If Romney campaigns as a pragmatic businessman focused on creating jobs he should be competetive in IA, MN, WI & MI.

Bush? A working class conservative? Maybe he appealed to blue collars through his down-to-earthiness and his focus on national security more than on Republican economics, but in terms of actual background? Hell no.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Michigan is at worst Lean D thanks to the auto bailouts.

[Old Man Willow]

Michigan is at worst Lean D thanks to the auto bailouts.

Of course it is. But if Snyder can pull off a landslide win then it isn't impossible for Mitt to pull off a minor win like Kerry over Bush.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Michigan is at worst Lean D thanks to the auto bailouts.

Got confused because we have different views on what the word "worst" means, politically.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Snyder posed as a moderate Republican to succeed an unpopular incumbent Democrat, faced an opponent who came off as an angry douche, and was elected in 2010. Barring a sex scandal and/or a double-dip, Romney won't have those benefits in Michigan. In a close race, Obama wins the state by about 7-10 points.

[nhmagic]

I'm still hopeful there are some interesting 3rd party choices, but with the options limited to those two...Obama....he has the better singing voice.

Lucifer had a great singing voice too...

You've met Lucifer?

Bible, and its meant to be a joke...mostly

[memphis]

Michigan is at worst Lean D thanks to the auto bailouts.

Of course it is. But if Snyder can pull off a landslide win then it isn't impossible for Mitt to pull off a minor win like Kerry over Bush.

Mr. Let Detroit Go Bankrupt? Good luck with that.

[Old Man Willow]

Michigan is at worst Lean D thanks to the auto bailouts.

Of course it is. But if Snyder can pull off a landslide win then it isn't impossible for Mitt to pull off a minor win like Kerry over Bush.

Mr. Let Detroit Go Bankrupt? Good luck with that.

Well, if the GOP can't take states like Michigan then the party might as well disband. VA, NV, AZ and other places of urban boom are currently or will become part of the Democratic coalition. The GOP can't just be the party of the south, and there's no other place that's more likely to shift towards conservatism then the upper midwest.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Alternatively, Republicans could drop the moral majority crap that gets them nowhere in the modern day and become closer to Jon Huntsman than Rick Santorum. I could see that happening within the next 10 years.

Romney's advantage is that, unlike Santorum, he can win some white-collar areas without doing substantially worse than Santorum in blue-collar areas. He won't win, but he's the GOP's best shot.

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Romney needs to focus on the upper midwest. People will say he's a poor fit for the region, but Bush was as working class conservative as you can get and he lost all but IA against the liberal elite. If Romney campaigns as a pragmatic businessman focused on creating jobs he should be competetive in IA, MN, WI & MI.

Bush working class? LOL!

[NCeriale]

Obama. Aside from Obama trashing Springsteen, I can't see a scenario where I'd vote for Romney, but he wouldn't be a bad president.

[Frodo]

Michigan is at worst Lean D thanks to the auto bailouts.

Of course it is. But if Snyder can pull off a landslide win then it isn't impossible for Mitt to pull off a minor win like Kerry over Bush.

Mr. Let Detroit Go Bankrupt? Good luck with that.

Well, if the GOP can't take states like Michigan then the party might as well disband. VA, NV, AZ and other places of urban boom are currently or will become part of the Democratic coalition. The GOP can't just be the party of the south, and there's no other place that's more likely to shift towards conservatism then the upper midwest.

A case can be made that, over the long term, the upper midwest will shift Republican like the South did before it -just not this year.  Not yet. 

[old timey villain]

What's going on in the upper Midwest that will cause it to shift Republican.

Just to play devil's advocate: If a state like Minnesota didn't lose its democratic tilt during the Reagan/Bush years, why would it shift now?

Also, what's the big issue that will cause the shift? Of course in the south the issue was civil rights and integration, which white southerners saw as a huge intrusion into their way of life. And even then, the transition was pretty slow. So what will the issue be up there?

again, I have a suspicion that this will eventually happen, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.

[Ljube]

Assuming the election is close (within 2% of the popular vote between the two candidates), the map should look like this.

To win, Romney needs Ohio, New Hampshire and either Virginia or both Iowa and Nevada.

The most likely Romney win is this map plus Ohio, New Hampshire and Virginia which gives him 270.

[Sasquatch]

Obama, but those two choices are dreadful.

[nhmagic]

I'm still hoping for a brokered convention where Romney doesn't secure enough delegates but gets relegated to VP as a new candidate is on the top of the ticket.  With that said, choice between two evils...

I guess it depends on the outcome of Obamacare in SCOTUS.  If it isn't overturned, I'd rather like to fool myself in believing that Romney would actually overturn/undermine it with sufficient pressure.  So if Obamacare is still in effect, then I'd vote for Romney with my nose plugged.  If it's overturned, then I have license to vote 3rd party and will probably vote for Johnson.

But, Romney might get the clothespin treatment still because there's Obama's civilian national security force "just as strong and just as well funded as the national military" I have to worry about. 

[milhouse24]

I'm still hoping for a brokered convention where Romney doesn't secure enough delegates but gets relegated to VP as a new candidate is on the top of the ticket.  With that said, choice between two evils...

I guess it depends on the outcome of Obamacare in SCOTUS.  If it isn't overturned, I'd rather like to fool myself in believing that Romney would actually overturn/undermine it with sufficient pressure.  So if Obamacare is still in effect, then I'd vote for Romney with my nose plugged.  If it's overturned, then I have license to vote 3rd party and will probably vote for Johnson.

But, Romney might get the clothespin treatment still because there's Obama's civilian national security force "just as strong and just as well funded as the national military" I have to worry about. 

So what is your prefered ticket Jeb/romney?

I think the ticket will be Romney/Jeb which will get the same number of votes in the GE.

[nhmagic]

I'm still hoping for a brokered convention where Romney doesn't secure enough delegates but gets relegated to VP as a new candidate is on the top of the ticket.  With that said, choice between two evils...

I guess it depends on the outcome of Obamacare in SCOTUS.  If it isn't overturned, I'd rather like to fool myself in believing that Romney would actually overturn/undermine it with sufficient pressure.  So if Obamacare is still in effect, then I'd vote for Romney with my nose plugged.  If it's overturned, then I have license to vote 3rd party and will probably vote for Johnson.

But, Romney might get the clothespin treatment still because there's Obama's civilian national security force "just as strong and just as well funded as the national military" I have to worry about.  

So what is your prefered ticket Jeb/romney?

I think the ticket will be Romney/Jeb which will get the same number of votes in the GE.

No way - my preferred ticket would be Palin-Paul.

Edit: Darn, you made me forget this was my 1000th Atlus post and I didn't even use grandeur or make it fun.  I'll make up for that: If the president is reelected he will destroy whats left of this fragile country and announce himself dictator.  Romney will be so weak if elected that he will fold to every democratic desire during the off periods between elections.  They are both globalists and socialists.  We all need to wake up to that.

[Oakvale]

I'm still hoping for a brokered convention where Romney doesn't secure enough delegates but gets relegated to VP as a new candidate is on the top of the ticket.  With that said, choice between two evils...

I guess it depends on the outcome of Obamacare in SCOTUS.  If it isn't overturned, I'd rather like to fool myself in believing that Romney would actually overturn/undermine it with sufficient pressure.  So if Obamacare is still in effect, then I'd vote for Romney with my nose plugged.  If it's overturned, then I have license to vote 3rd party and will probably vote for Johnson.

But, Romney might get the clothespin treatment still because there's Obama's civilian national security force "just as strong and just as well funded as the national military" I have to worry about. 

So what is your prefered ticket Jeb/romney?

I think the ticket will be Romney/Jeb which will get the same number of votes in the GE.

No way - my preferred ticket would be Palin-Paul.

Edit: Darn, you made me forget this was my 1000th Atlus post and I didn't even use grandeur or make it fun.  I'll make up for that: If the president is reelected he will destroy whats left of this fragile country and announce himself dictator.  Romney will be so weak if elected that he will fold to every democratic desire during the off periods between elections.  They are both globalists and socialists.  We all need to wake up to that.

This is the worst post ever made in the history of the forum. You should feel bad and your parents should be arrested.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Should we add third parties? I'm noticing many statements of 'these are both horrible'.

[nhmagic]

I'm still hoping for a brokered convention where Romney doesn't secure enough delegates but gets relegated to VP as a new candidate is on the top of the ticket.  With that said, choice between two evils...

I guess it depends on the outcome of Obamacare in SCOTUS.  If it isn't overturned, I'd rather like to fool myself in believing that Romney would actually overturn/undermine it with sufficient pressure.  So if Obamacare is still in effect, then I'd vote for Romney with my nose plugged.  If it's overturned, then I have license to vote 3rd party and will probably vote for Johnson.

But, Romney might get the clothespin treatment still because there's Obama's civilian national security force "just as strong and just as well funded as the national military" I have to worry about. 

So what is your prefered ticket Jeb/romney?

I think the ticket will be Romney/Jeb which will get the same number of votes in the GE.

No way - my preferred ticket would be Palin-Paul.

Edit: Darn, you made me forget this was my 1000th Atlus post and I didn't even use grandeur or make it fun.  I'll make up for that: If the president is reelected he will destroy whats left of this fragile country and announce himself dictator.  Romney will be so weak if elected that he will fold to every democratic desire during the off periods between elections.  They are both globalists and socialists.  We all need to wake up to that.

This is the worst post ever made in the history of the forum. You should feel bad and your parents should be arrested.

Well I wanted to make the 1000th post special.  I even spelled Atlus wrong on purpose - surprised no one mentioned that. 

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

This is the worst post ever made in the history of the forum. You should feel bad and your parents should be arrested.

They should have been arrested before having a chance to give us this poster.