Well, they're going to get what they want.

[patrick1]

Yes, I report the holier-than-thou people that lecture me and others about personal attacks...then personally attack me. You know, like people saying, "Don't get mad, Phil, but you're unpleasant." That attack is fine but mine is not apparently. No personal agenda? Please.

Phil, you forget that he made his living out of this  No offense against Torie in general but dissembling and baiting people is part of the trade craft.