Improving the Vice Presidency Amendment [Debating]

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So basically, the Vice President would be a Senator. Why not just abolish the position of Vice President and have 11 Senators? No, cuz that sounds ridiculous. Essentially, outside of abolishing the VP position, that's exactly what this amendment does.

Nay.

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But basically, we'd have to elect President and Vice President separately, because if one voter wants person X to be President, but doesn't want person Y to be Vice President (Senator,) they'll be confused. Any way to fix that?

[Lambsbread]

Let's put it this way: Let's just say Rand Paul and John Boehner are running on the same ticket for President. I personally like Rand Paul and would want him to be President, but I do not like John Boehner and would not want him to essentially be a Senator. If I vote for the Paul/Boehner ticket, I am voting for a President I want, but I am also forced into voting for a Vice President/Senator that I do not want. Perhaps we could have it that the President and Vice President are elected separately?

[Lambsbread]

Let's put it this way: Let's just say Rand Paul and John Boehner are running on the same ticket for President. I personally like Rand Paul and would want him to be President, but I do not like John Boehner and would not want him to essentially be a Senator. If I vote for the Paul/Boehner ticket, I am voting for a President I want, but I am also forced into voting for a Vice President/Senator that I do not want. Perhaps we could have it that the President and Vice President are elected separately?

I proposed that amendment and it went down in glorious defeat.

Well, I'm going to reintroduce it.

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[Lambsbread]

Whatever. Amendment withdrawn.

[Lambsbread]

Whatever. Amendment withdrawn.

Wow, dude, stand your ground. Literally, the only way to accomplish anything positive with either idea is with those two amendments working in conjunction. Even then, I can't say if it will help overall.

The amendment's going to fail anyway. I'm thinking pragmatically.

[Lambsbread]

Whatever. Amendment withdrawn.

Wow, dude, stand your ground. Literally, the only way to accomplish anything positive with either idea is with those two amendments working in conjunction. Even then, I can't say if it will help overall.

The amendment's going to fail anyway. I'm thinking pragmatically.

You never know. Besides, when has that ever stopped anyone else? 

You yourself complained that not enough legislation gets introduced. Another amendment vote would slow things down.

[Lambsbread]

Whatever. Amendment withdrawn.

Wow, dude, stand your ground. Literally, the only way to accomplish anything positive with either idea is with those two amendments working in conjunction. Even then, I can't say if it will help overall.

The amendment's going to fail anyway. I'm thinking pragmatically.

You never know. Besides, when has that ever stopped anyone else? 

You yourself complained that not enough legislation gets introduced. Another amendment vote would slow things down.

I complained about legislation sitting on the floor not being debated when a final vote should have already been taking place on said legislation. Im all for debating and amending proposals until the best possible product is attained. Certainly, Senator, you have mischaracterized my position.

Certainly I did, Governor. But certainly you must attend to regional affairs and allow me to go about my business as Senator and don't call me out on a perfectly viable decision, correct?

[Lambsbread]

Apparently what I've been saying all along is false, yet when Marokai says it, it's true. Here's what this bill does:

IT MAKES THE VICE PRESIDENT A SENATOR

Essentially, the title of Vice President becomes even MORE useless because you're essentially running for Senate, not for Vice President.