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Leftbehind
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« on: February 29, 2012, 05:37:55 PM »
« edited: February 29, 2012, 05:43:52 PM by Leftbehind »

Oh come on, the idea that America escapes the racism problem is bloody preposterous. The only reason the far right falls flat electorally, like here in the UK, is because we're in two-party FPTP systems (notice the only time the BNP seen success was in one of those rare things in Britain: a PR election), which completely disincentives voting elsewhere (even going so far as punishing it - a Rightist split would only benefit their opposition). It's not as if we even completely escape it, either - our voices for the Right have catered to that vote to different extents throughout modern history.

Also, how on earth can you read those posts you were quoting and take from that it was Europeans lecturing Americans?! I actually agree that Europeans and Americans are more or less as guilty as each other, but you clearly don't, because you're still trotting out the non-existence of the far-right electorally in America bollocks.
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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 07:00:07 PM »

The far-right in America is of a different sort than that in Europe, and it's pretty comfortably held in the Republican Party.
True. I shouldn't have even conflated it with the "Far Right" term, as we were talking about racism and xenophobia explicitly, so how neoliberal and authoritarian the racists' electoral representation are is completely immaterial; the point being - as you say - even our (essentially) two-party systems and the centrist dichotomy that follows aren't free of xenophobia or racism.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 09:31:50 AM »
« Edited: March 01, 2012, 09:34:24 AM by Leftbehind »

Why has Britain gotten so xenophobic? Is it because of Eastern Europeans immigrating once the EU expanded in 04, because you never really heard much about groups like UKIP or the BNP gaining any traction in the 90's and much of the 00's.

Well UKIP and BNP have only really seen success in European elections, which only became elected through PR following the 1999 European act, and used for the first time at the '04 elections. Before that, UKIP won 7% and three seats in the '99 Euro's, under FPTP, but then so did the Greens near enough, and the Euro's pathetic turnout now helps minor parties, whereas in the past it didn't make any difference.

Before that, UKIP's precursor the Referendum Party won 2.6%, at the '97 election - not a great deal less than their best of 3.1% they achieved in the last general election. Other than that, you've got several reasons, some of which have already been mentioned:

-Eastern European immigration has been a growing concern for the public, and regularly 'highlighted' by a very right-wing, xenophobic press.
-main two are distinctly less broad-church entities now, meaning their capture of total vote was rapidly on the decline, opening the way for right-of-Tory votes
-the Tories are less inclined to court racists than in the past, even in recent history, as opposition, the Tory leaders who preceded Cameron (especially IDS/Hague) put far more effort into appealing to them than Cameron, and his 'centrist' electioneering did.
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