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« Reply #150 on: February 27, 2012, 05:49:33 PM »

I think this whole issue has just been immersed into an emotional bog from which there is no escape.

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« Reply #151 on: February 27, 2012, 10:42:31 PM »

Scott is now the sponsor of this Amendment. And I'm going to open up a final vote on it momentarily, because as Polnut said, we seem to be getting nowhere.
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« Reply #152 on: February 27, 2012, 10:47:16 PM »

I hereby open a final vote on the following Constitutional Amendment, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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« Reply #153 on: February 27, 2012, 10:50:09 PM »

Aye - only because if this doesn't pass in this current form it'll be a carbuncle on the Senate.
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« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2012, 11:00:42 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #155 on: February 27, 2012, 11:30:33 PM »

Aye

I really would have preferred a stronger version of the current bill (i.e., the bill as originally proposed), but I would rather this pass (however much of a Moderate Hero-y compromise it may be) than nothing pass at all.
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« Reply #156 on: February 28, 2012, 06:14:26 AM »

NAY!!!!!!
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« Reply #157 on: February 28, 2012, 10:43:49 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #158 on: February 29, 2012, 08:19:27 AM »

3 - 3 so far.
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« Reply #159 on: February 29, 2012, 08:57:39 AM »

I encourage every Senator that believes in individual liberty to vote nay.
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« Reply #160 on: February 29, 2012, 10:36:20 AM »

Nay

It seems that no one really wants this compromise.
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« Reply #161 on: February 29, 2012, 05:48:26 PM »

And the amendment will go nowhere... excellent.
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« Reply #162 on: February 29, 2012, 08:09:38 PM »

Holding out for something better. Nay.
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« Reply #163 on: February 29, 2012, 11:47:03 PM »

I had hoped for a negotiation or deal making to hammer out a framework that could get the votes to pass. The current text has problems and flaws that I would be willing to deal with for the purposes getting a deal, but outside of that it becomes a refrendum on the current text.

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« Reply #164 on: February 29, 2012, 11:51:22 PM »

I'm curious to know what the Senate's view is on the fact that it's an amendment.

Would there be strong enough support for a legislative instrument, rather than an amendment?

I know Scott and Jake feel very passionately about this, but the votes for an amendment just aren't there.
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« Reply #165 on: March 01, 2012, 12:48:04 AM »

This Amendment is failing.

Which is a shame, because it's better than the status-quo. But it seems some people want perfection..
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« Reply #166 on: March 01, 2012, 01:15:03 AM »

I just can't support any legislation that would continue to allow the government to force its citizens into slavery.  If we were to support gutted versions of what we are ultimately pushing for, then we'd be compromising on our values and defeating our ultimate goal.  Whether there's enough support for the amendment or not, we are simply making a statement.
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« Reply #167 on: March 01, 2012, 01:20:16 AM »

This Amendment is failing.

Which is a shame, because it's better than the status-quo. But it seems some people want perfection..

Ehhh. Last time the Senate tried this madness, the people laughed it down in flames. That is the tricky part of our amendment process: it doesn't work when the Senate is so out of touch. Tongue
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« Reply #168 on: March 01, 2012, 06:17:41 AM »

I just can't support any legislation that would continue to allow the government to force its citizens into slavery.  If we were to support gutted versions of what we are ultimately pushing for, then we'd be compromising on our values and defeating our ultimate goal.  Whether there's enough support for the amendment or not, we are simply making a statement.

This.
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« Reply #169 on: March 01, 2012, 08:06:24 PM »

Abstain. I'm tired of voting on this. So meh!
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« Reply #170 on: March 02, 2012, 02:48:54 AM »

This Amendment has failed. Sad
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« Reply #171 on: March 02, 2012, 06:17:27 AM »


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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« Reply #172 on: March 02, 2012, 07:32:45 AM »


I would be startled if an amendment you liked did get up - but my term is nearly over so let's see how you do with my replacement
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« Reply #173 on: March 02, 2012, 04:55:51 PM »

The problem with this issue is that there isn't very much will for a compromise. The anti-conscription side refuses to support anything that could still allow conscription, whereas some of the more moderate voices on the issue don't want a constitutional ammendment banning it without exception. Therefore, the status-quo will prevail unless either group relents.

I probably would have voted in favor of my original wording that was struck down right after this was proposed and gave serious thought to supporting the current. But, to be honest I can't imagine conscription being implemented anyway in Atlasia without some truly incredible circumstances anyway so I viewed the status quo as preferable to this wording.
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