who would you favor in an Iran vs. US/Israel war?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

1. No war.
2. Minimal duration and loss of life.

[Lief 🗽]

I'd not support the fascist theocracy. I guess that makes me a right-winger.

There are two fascist theocracies in this hypothetical, Gus. Please specify.

And of course you're a right-winger.

[Oakvale]

Question - if I answer US/Israel can people please not suggest that this makes me a neocon warmonger or whatever? Merely that, given the choice of "supporting" either side I'm going to go for the ones that, whatever their obvious flaws, aren't out and out fascists.

Anyway, US/Israel.

[dead0man]

No man, didn't you read Lief?  They are the same facist theocracy that Iran is....somehow.

[Oakvale]

No man, didn't you read Lief?  They are the same facist theocracy that Iran is....somehow.

Heh, Yeah, about that -

Look, I'd be the first person (well, uh, maybe not the first, but 'yknow ) to criticise Israel, but suggesting that Israel - and the United States - are as "bad" (for want of a better word, I suppose) as Iran just serves to look silly and overshadow legitimate criticism of Israel.

[Lief 🗽]

Of course neither Israel nor Iran is fascist, but I assume Gustaf was using the word as shorthand for un-democratic/nationalist.

[Beet]

Is it too late for a Jewish state in Pomerania?

[dead0man]

Is it too late for a Jewish state in Pomerania?

yes

[Beet]

Is it too late for a Jewish state in Pomerania?

yes

It was a joke, a joke.

[dead0man]

Ahh, I see you are making fun of the people that actually think that way.  My mistake.

[Lief 🗽]

There are people that actually want to create a Jewish state in Pomerania?

[Beet]

Ahh, I see you are making fun of the people that actually think that way.  My mistake.

Well it's more like sitting in a lifeboat from the sinking Titanic and asking if it's too late to to stay in Ireland.

Anyway, to answer the question, I would be forced to favor the US/Israel. (And separately if Israel has indeed decided it will attack, the US has no choice but to do everything possible to get Iran to stop enrichment, even if the US itself believed Iran's enrichment were not problematic).

But the analogy with Iran vs. US/Israel war here is you drove your brother to the 7-11 and he comes out with a pistol and a bag of money. You're implicated, so you have no choice but to drive him as fast as you can to the border. Just because you're evading a 10-year jail sentence, doesn't mean you condone robbery (or in this case murder).

[dead0man]

sh**t, I'd drive him to the police station and feel just fine about it.

[Pingvin]

1. Israel is ALWAYS right to me.
2. If I think that Israel is wrong there, I look at n1.

[Oakvale]

1. Israel is ALWAYS right to me.

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[courts]

1. Israel is ALWAYS right to me.

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That's what we have to deal with in the states Oak. I know it's hard to comprehend when you're not constantly bombarded with the joke that is american media...

[Oakvale]

1. Israel is ALWAYS right to me.

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That's what we have to deal with in the states Oak. I know it's hard to comprehend when you're not constantly bombarded with the joke that is american media...

It's weird though, isn't Pingvin Russian?

I don't know, wow.

[Leftbehind]

Circumstances dictate, really. If either side's clearly the aggressor, and we're seeing massive loss of life I'd probably come down on whichever side, but I'd normally be reluctant to support either, given it's a war between two sets of reactionaries.

[© tweed]

Circumstances dictate, really. If either sides clearly the aggressor, and we're seeing massive loss of life I'd probably come down on whichever side, but I'd be reluctant to support either side, given it's a war between two sets of reactionaries.

if the first act of war is an Iranian airstrike/invasion on/of US/Israeli territory, please develop a scenario in which you would classify the US/Israel as the aggressor.

[Leftbehind]

A response of nuclear missiles should do it.

[© tweed]

that either didn't make sense or I was not clear in what I was asking for.  please read Reply #43 and try again before I rephrase.

[RI]

I would support whoever was attacked. At this point, it looks more likely to be Iran than Israel who gets nuked.

[© tweed]

I would support whoever was attacked. At this point, it looks more likely to be Iran than Israel who gets nuked.

I would give you 100:1 odds.

[Leftbehind]

that either didn't make sense or I was not clear in what I was asking for.  please read Reply #43 and try again before I rephrase.

If, in your scenario, there was an Iranian airstrike/invasion of US/Israel territory as the first action, I'd obviously see Iran as the aggressors. But then if the US/Israel opted for a nuclear retaliation, that would be a scenario in which - despite Iran starting the war - I'd then classify them as the aggressors.

If you're asking a different question, you'll have to rephrase.

[Pingvin]

1. Israel is ALWAYS right to me.

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That's what we have to deal with in the states Oak. I know it's hard to comprehend when you're not constantly bombarded with the joke that is american media...

It's weird though, isn't Pingvin Russian?

I don't know, wow.

Yes, I'm Russian and I'm a stanuch supporter of Israel. I quite hate our foreign ministry for their pro-Palestine stances.