US soldier goes on killing spree in Afghanistan

[Filuwaúrdjan]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17332398

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So... er...

a) This is pretty terrible in all respects, obviously.

b) oh sh!t.

[dead0man]

Wow, that sucks a lot on several levels.  A ton of sh**t is going to come out of this.  After we confirm that the facts are the facts, we should turn him over to the local courts and let the locals get some of their frustrations out.  Other people are still going to die because of this, but maybe that kind of act would lessen the reaction a bit.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I hope this bastard rots in jail for the rest of his miserable life.

[Tender Branson]

Really terrible of course.

Pobably time for Obama again to hop into the apologizing role and Republicans to attack him for that.

Better solution would be to get the f**k out of this wrecked country as soon as possible.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

You will rarely see me critical of a member of our military- but this bastard not only apparently killed innocent people but is putting the lives of Amerians in danger... I know that the court-martial will have ZERO mercy on this monster

I agree with Tender Branson- GET OUT OF THERE

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Defending freedom abroad. Carry on, soldier.

[Silent Hunter]

This guy deserves life without parole.

[2952-0-0]

If I were Obama, I'd order him transferred to Afghan courts even if he faces the death penalty. This is clearly beyond US jurisdiction.

[Stranger in a strange land]

If I were Obama, I'd order him transferred to Afghan courts even if he faces the death penalty. This is clearly beyond US jurisdiction.

[2952-0-0]

If I were Obama, I'd order him transferred to Afghan courts even if he faces the death penalty. This is clearly beyond US jurisdiction.

The Taliban must seriously be thinking Allah gave them this propaganda tool, since no one could dream this shiat up. Republicans will slam Obama as usual, so he should prepare to respond that a similar thing is expected if a foreign soldier does the same thing in Texas. The more the decision is delayed, the more American flags are burned by angry mobs.

[Free Palestine]

This person will get a slap on the wrist, like the last guy who murdered Middle Eastern children.  And meanwhile, a young man who didn't harm anyone faces life in prison, with droves of people calling for his head on a platter...

[Eraserhead]

Why are we still there again?

[Franzl]

Why are we still there again?

To defend freedom, of course.

[greenforest32]

"Thank you for your service"

[Kaine for Senate '18]

To defend freedom, of course.

Yes.  One rogue soldier does not defeat the entire purpose of our being there.

[Silent Hunter]

Yes.  One rogue soldier does not defeat the entire purpose of our being there.

[Eraserhead]

Yes.  One rogue soldier does not defeat the entire purpose of our being there.

If the purpose to being there is to cause death and destruction, we're doing a bang up job.

[patrick1]

Yes.  One rogue soldier does not defeat the entire purpose of our being there.

If the purpose to being there is to cause death and destruction, we're doing a bang up job.

Well, we have killed a lot of the enemy (AQ, Taliban and Haqqani) but also too many civilians in the process. We've built roads, schools and wells but have also leveled villages.  There are not many good options between the corrupt Karzai regime, the various Talibans and the countless other factions.  Sadly, there is going to be a lot more bloodshed when we pull up stakes.  At this stage I like the "Biden" plan to quickly and vastly reduce the footprint.  Have airpower and drones and protection elements for those assets.  When the claret starts flowing-try to step in and make sure the less bad guys win.

[Silent Hunter]

Most of the civilians killed in Afghanistan have been killed by the Taliban and the terrorists. Too many by us, of course, but a point worth remembering

[John Dibble]

So I'm not sure about the legalities of it, but provided that this guy is sane enough to know the difference between right and wrong I kind of think it would be best if we extradite him to the Afghanistan government. The guy wasn't acting under orders, so he wasn't acting as one of our soldiers, and so his crime could be considered a domestic one - we give him to their government to be tried by their laws. I think that would probably placate some people and prevent some violence, since we'd be letting them dispense the justice on the person who committed the crime.

[patrick1]

So I'm not sure about the legalities of it, but provided that this guy is sane enough to know the difference between right and wrong I kind of think it would be best if we extradite him to the Afghanistan government. The guy wasn't acting under orders, so he wasn't acting as one of our soldiers, and so his crime could be considered a domestic one - we give him to their government to be tried by their laws. I think that would probably placate some people and prevent some violence, since we'd be letting them dispense the justice on the person who committed the crime.

Obviously not excusing his barbarity and unspeakable crimes but I'm sure it will also transpire that D.O.D. failed him on several occasions. -Not sure what that means yet but Id at least like to know before we set him loose to mob justice.

[John Dibble]

So I'm not sure about the legalities of it, but provided that this guy is sane enough to know the difference between right and wrong I kind of think it would be best if we extradite him to the Afghanistan government. The guy wasn't acting under orders, so he wasn't acting as one of our soldiers, and so his crime could be considered a domestic one - we give him to their government to be tried by their laws. I think that would probably placate some people and prevent some violence, since we'd be letting them dispense the justice on the person who committed the crime.

Obviously not excusing his barbarity and unspeakable crimes but I'm sure it will also transpire that D.O.D. failed him on several occasions. -Not sure what that means yet but Id at least like to know before we set him loose to mob justice.

Which is why I put the sanity check condition on there. And yes we should be sure there's good evidence he did it too.

[patrick1]

So I'm not sure about the legalities of it, but provided that this guy is sane enough to know the difference between right and wrong I kind of think it would be best if we extradite him to the Afghanistan government. The guy wasn't acting under orders, so he wasn't acting as one of our soldiers, and so his crime could be considered a domestic one - we give him to their government to be tried by their laws. I think that would probably placate some people and prevent some violence, since we'd be letting them dispense the justice on the person who committed the crime.

Obviously not excusing his barbarity and unspeakable crimes but I'm sure it will also transpire that D.O.D. failed him on several occasions. -Not sure what that means yet but Id at least like to know before we set him loose to mob justice.

Which is why I put the sanity check condition on there. And yes we should be sure there's good evidence he did it too.

Yes, agreed. I also mean something akin to sanity checks and mental care stretching further back.  What treatment and care did he receive for his past injury on deployment and whether he got the required care when he got back the last 3 times. Was his screening to re-deploy simply proforma. etc.    I think these questions will require some digging and likely wouldn't sate any blood lust if it is done in a proper timeline.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

If any one is under the impression that a court-martial would be more lenient on this guy then an Afghan court... you are mistaken
This guy is getting other soldiers killed in addition to commiting a barbaric crime in murdering civilians