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Question: Will Iceland and Norway ever join the EU?
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#2Norway, but not Iceland  
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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2012, 01:41:50 pm »

I'm at least mildly amused that Bildt still has a political career.

I think a political career is not the right term to use here, but otherwise I couldn't agree more. Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2012, 09:50:41 am »

Brighter days for the Swedish left in the oppinion polls. This is probably due to several blunders by the government the past month as well as the new SAP leader who's turned out to be more competent and sympathetic than his last two predecessors.

DEMOSKOP:

M: 29,9%
FP: 5,2%
C: 4,2%
KD: 3,1%

Government: 42,4%

S: 34,1%
MP: 9,5%
V: 6,5%
SD: 6,6%

Opposition: 56,8%


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M: 28,7%
FP: 5,9%
C: 4,9%
KD: 3,5%

Government: 43,0%

S: 33,7%
MP: 10,3%
V: 6,1%
SD: 5,2%

Opposition: 55,3%
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2012, 10:04:07 am »

Wow, the Social Democrats are on a roll again ?

By "on a roll", I obviously mean that they would only get their second-worst post-1920 performance if the election were held today. Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2012, 12:56:34 pm »
« Edited: April 07, 2012, 04:32:23 pm by politicus »

Truly encouraging news for their Danish comrades, who are on their lowest level since 1898 according to the latest polls Wink
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2012, 03:40:25 pm »
« Edited: April 07, 2012, 03:45:33 pm by Swedish Cheese »

Truly encouraging news for their Danish comrades, who are on their lowest level since 1898 according to the latest polls.

Not sure why it'd be an encouraging sign. The Social Democrats in Sweden and the Danmark are at quite different places at the moment. S rise here is due to factors such as a government people are growing a bit tired off and them finally getting a good leader. In Denmark the Social Democrats are the government, and they still have Helle as their leader.

What does polls look like more exactly? Would an election result in a return of the VCO(I) government or would Helle's coalition manage to cling on? 
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« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2012, 04:26:43 pm »
« Edited: April 07, 2012, 04:31:36 pm by politicus »

Truly encouraging news for their Danish comrades, who are on their lowest level since 1898 according to the latest polls.

Not sure why it'd be an encouraging sign. The Social Democrats in Sweden and the Danmark are at quite different places at the moment. S rise here is due to factors such as a government people are growing a bit tired off and them finally getting a good leader. In Denmark the Social Democrats are the government, and they still have Helle as their leader.

What does polls look like more exactly? Would an election result in a return of the VCO(I) government or would Helle's coalition manage to cling on?  
I was being ironic Smiley Both the SDs in DK and Sweden are doing very badly seen in a historical context.
Danish SDs were at 18,5 % in one poll where Venstre (Liberals) were stronger than all  3 government parties together. It is slightly better now, but not much. If an election were held now we would get a right wing government. Probably a single party Venstre government, since Conservatives are doing really badly and Venstre doesn't really need them. The Danish Peoples Party (O) was never in government - just supporters - so no VCO to return to.
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2012, 07:41:41 am »
« Edited: October 12, 2012, 08:25:09 am by politicus »

Bump

There has been some general discussion of Danish politics on the international elections board, which would be a more appropriate here, so I am bumping this one.

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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2012, 08:04:20 am »

I'd like to summarise the political developments in Sweden for the last months:


Zzzzzzzzz...

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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2012, 06:29:39 am »
« Edited: October 13, 2012, 08:22:12 am by politicus »

The 52 year old MP from the Socialist Peoples Party Anette Vilhelmsen is elected chairman of the party with a 66 % majority over the leaderships candidate 29 year old Health Minister Astrid Krag. A clear victory for the left wing in the party.
The election of Vilhelmsen spells trouble for PM Helle Thorning-Schmidt and her pragmatic/neo liberal (take your pick) reform course.
The SPP is polling at 5,2% at the moment. The lowest result in 30 years... Room for improvement.
New SPP ministers to be appointed tomorrow. All 6 current ministers supported Krag and several of them will probably be axed by the new leader.
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2012, 10:47:45 am »
« Edited: October 16, 2012, 02:56:04 am by politicus »

The SPP realignment story continues.

27 year old wonderboy and architecht behind the partys "pragmatic" right wing turn Thor Møger Petersen is fired as Minister of Taxation and replaced with 62 year old former party chairman Holger K. Nielsen from the "traditionalist" left wing of the party.
Nicknamed "Møgungen" ("the brat") Thor Møger was hated among the middle aged rank and file members from which Vilhelmsen draws her support.

Former Communist party boss turned succesfull publisher and SPP right winger Ole Sohn is fired as Minister of Business and Growth (where he was quite popular with the business community) and replaced with new party chairman Anette Vilhelmsen.

After two days of marathon negotiations first with prime minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt and today with the leader of the dominant Social Liberals Margrethe Vestager it will be interesting to see if Vilhelmsen has managed to get any concessions from the two other "queens" in the government.

Fun fact. After the election of Vilhelmsen all four party leaders to the "left" are female and all four party leaders to the right are male. Boys against girls in the next election campaign.  
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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2012, 05:51:40 pm »

The SPP realignment story continues.

27 year old wonderboy and architecht behind the partys "pragmatic" right wing turn Thor Møger Petersen is fired as Minister of Taxation and replaced with 62 year old former party chairman Holger K. Nielsen from the "traditionalist" left wing of the party.
Nicknamed "Møgungen" ("the brat") Thor Møger was hated among the middle aged rank and file members from which Vilhelmsen draws her support.

Former Communist party boss turned succesfull publisher and neoliberal SPP right winger Ole Sohn is fired as Minister of Business and Growth (where he was quite popular with the business community) and replaced with new party chairman Anette Vilhelmsen.

After two days of marathon negotiations first with prime minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt and today with the leader of the dominant Social Liberals Margrethe Vestager it will be interesting to see if Vilhelmsen has managed to get any concessions from the two other "queens" in the government.

Fun fact. After the election of Vilhelmsen all four party leaders to the "left" are female and all four party leaders to the right are male. Boys against girls in the next election campaign.  
Calling Ole Sohn neoliberal is wrong in so many ways....
How about you drop the Ekstrabladet rhetoric. It is after all the equivalent of the Daily Hatemail.

And then to more serious business. This isn't a realignment, but on one hand at struggle between a more streamlined party understanding and a focus on internal party democracy. Villy Søvndal failed to grasp the dissatisfaction among large and influential parts of the party where it came to the way things were run. The little things like failing to give the dissatisfied a forum to get rid of their frustrations etc.
On the other hand the personality of the two candidates was very important. Astrid Krag failed miserably when it came to likeability and ran a bad campaign whereas Annette Vilhelmsen presented herself as a much more pleasant person (but weaker on policies) and ran a near perfect campaign.

The biggest losers were the political experts, who presented the election of Astrid Krag as a done deal, again proving that they have few to none reliable sources in SF Cheesy 
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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2012, 02:50:54 am »
« Edited: October 16, 2012, 02:58:36 am by politicus »

Well, maybe we understand different things with the word realignment... I certainly hope for SPPs sake that this is the beginning of at least a minor realignment.

Yeah the pundits got that one  wrong. But in defense of the "experts" it was very hard to predict the outcome with any accuracy because of the large increase in membership in 2007-2009 from 9.500 to 17.000 and lack of knowledge about how many members the party actually had left during the current crisis. The last publicised figure of 15.000 proved wrong and the party only had 12.000 members left. The fact that 40,6% of those chose not to vote at all in a leadership referendum is quite surprising. What is your take on this? Widespread apathy?

I wanted to bet on a Vilhelmsen victory myself based on my knowledge of the feelings among "old" (that is pre-2007) SPP members, but hesitated since I was unsure of how the new members would react.
I think the clear 2/3 victory surprised most SPP members as well.

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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 05:37:14 am »
« Edited: March 20, 2013, 07:43:05 am by Diouf »

The consequences of the SPP leadership battle are really showing now. In late January deputy leader Mattias Tesfaye left the SPP to join the Social Democrats. Yesterday political spokesperson Jesper Petersen made the same move, and today MEP Emilie Turunen plus a couple of former MPs, MP candidates, municipial politicians etc. also decided to join the Social Democrats. Add to that that Thor Möger Pedersen was sacked as Minister of Taxation immediately after Vilhelmsen's victory, and has now become a TV host. All of these young politicians belonged to the workerite fraction of the Socialist People's Party, which former leader Villy Søvndal also belongs to. They were the drivers behind the right-wing shift of the party, and disagrees with the new traditionalist line of Annette Vilhelmsen. Foreign Minister Villy Søvndal and Minister of Health Astrid Krag also belongs to the workerite line, but it probably takes quite a bit more to voluntarily leave a Minister post.

The consequences of these people leaving might be quite big. As many of the most prominent workerites have now left, the main drivers for getting SPP into the government are gone as well. So the Traditionalist who were quite reluctant to that move, might now have an easier way of getting their party to leave the government if they find that preferable. The green, europositive wing also supported the shift towards making the party ready for government, but arguably not with the same enthusiasm, and, at least some of them, might be convinced by the advantages of leaving the government.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2013, 03:46:26 pm »
« Edited: April 13, 2013, 07:43:03 am by politicus »

Ms. Marie Krarup DPP spokesperson on defence matters (and daughter of (in)famous Lutheran minister and former DPP politician Søren Krarup) got herself into trouble after ridiculing Maori ceremonies on her blog following an official visit to NZ by the Danish parliaments defence comitee.

http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2013/04/danish-mp-apologises-over-calling-powhiri-grotesque-mocking-free-rider-nz-defence/

As representative of a party that goes on and on about how foreigners should respect indigenous Danish customs its a bit hypocritical of her.

She was also dangerously close to being outright racist - which the DPP tries very hard to avoid.

"Krarup detailed her experiences at the Devonport Naval Base as an example of a relinquishing trait of New Zealand:
 
“One could perhaps call it [the marae] cultural annihilation or grotesque multi-cultural worship.”
 
She characterised the naval officers as “beautiful, white-dressed and European looking”, and expressed bewilderment regarding why New Zealanders of European ancestry had to perform a non-European custom to their European guests:
 
“It is a mystery to me that the naval officers could endure both the ceremony and the surroundings.”

(yeah, it must have been hard enduring all those half naked savages...)

The full text in English:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10876319

(its actually not quite as bad as I thought, but still insensitive and rude)
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2013, 07:16:19 pm »

Yes Krarup are a racist (whether other members of DPP are racist can be discussed Krarup and her relative no it can't be discussed), she's also a Bull in a China shop, but the New Zealandic reaction have been positive hilarious (the NZ right; she correct and all foreigners think these things, the NZ left; she should be grateful to see how tradition). I can only thank the Almighty that it was NZ she did it and not a state with a tendency to overreaction (and we couldn't afford to insult). My guess is that Krarup in the future are asked not to join these trips.

I also find it hilarious that it's this the New Zeanders get their panties in a twist over, and not all the much worse thing she wrote. I guess it hit a place which hurt.
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« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2013, 07:48:43 am »

What are the differences between the right wing and left wing of the SPP on foreign policy?
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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2013, 03:07:24 pm »

What are the differences between the right wing and left wing of the SPP on foreign policy?
There arent any, really. All tough there are a small portion of euro-sceptics on the left wing.
 Its mostly on economic policy and "value issues"  - like immigration and law and order - that they differ. But the present SPP minister of foreign affairs, Villy Søvndal (who is on the right wing), doesnt really follow the party line, but executes the governments (mainly SDs) pro-American line.
But thats mostly because SPP is so marginalized in the government.
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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2013, 05:36:49 am »
« Edited: April 15, 2013, 12:17:23 pm by politicus »

With less than 150 days to the next Storting election on the 9th of September Norwegian Labour prime minister Jens Stoltenbergs Red-Green Coalition hasn't had a majority in the polls for a year and Conservative leader Erna Solberg looks like the next prime minister in coalition with the right wing populist/softcore libertarian Progressive Party. PP can celebrate its 40th anniversary knowing that the party's leader Siv Jensen is likely going to be the new minister of finance.

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Erna Solberg - a woman of substance...

An average of Norwegian polls for April.
 
Labour 27,2 (49)
 
Conservatives 33,0 (56)
 
Progressive Party 16,8 (30)
 
Christian Peoples Party 5,4 (9)
 
Liberals 4,6 ( 8 )
 
Center Party 5,1 (9)
 
Socialist Left 4,4 (7)
 
Reds 1,4 (1)
 
Others 1,9 (0)

Red Green Coalition (Labour - Centre Party - Socialist Left) + Reds = 66
Centrist opposition Liberals - Christian Peoples Party = 17
"Dark Blue" opposition Conservatives + PP = 86

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Siv Jensen -  laughing at the leftists?
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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2013, 03:55:31 pm »

clarence must be summoned here asap.
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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2013, 04:10:50 pm »

clarence must be summoned here asap.
Yes, a "big gal" with wholesome conservative views must be right up his alley.
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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2013, 06:44:42 pm »
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She even has a wholesome name... Erna Solberg...

Siv Jensen looks like she enjoys her cigarettes and spray tans.
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« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2013, 11:22:19 am »

What are the differences between the right wing and left wing of the SPP on foreign policy?
There arent any, really. All tough there are a small portion of euro-sceptics on the left wing.
 Its mostly on economic policy and "value issues"  - like immigration and law and order - that they differ. But the present SPP minister of foreign affairs, Villy Søvndal (who is on the right wing), doesnt really follow the party line, but executes the governments (mainly SDs) pro-American line.
But thats mostly because SPP is so marginalized in the government.

Which side is more anti-immigration and pro-law and order? The right-wing?  That would be the obvious choice but you can never be too sure.
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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2013, 11:39:07 am »
« Edited: April 17, 2013, 11:44:57 am by politicus »

What are the differences between the right wing and left wing of the SPP on foreign policy?
There aren't any, really. All tough there are a small portion of euro-sceptics on the left wing.
 Its mostly on economic policy and "value issues"  - like immigration and law and order - that they differ. But the present SPP minister of foreign affairs, Villy Søvndal (who is on the right wing), doesn't really follow the party line, but executes the governments (mainly SDs) pro-American line.
But that's mostly because SPP is so marginalized in the government.

Which side is more anti-immigration and pro-law and order? The right-wing?  That would be the obvious choice but you can never be too sure.
"Obvious answer is obvious" to quote California Tony.

The right wing in SPP has accepted the SD line on immigration (which is almost identical  to the old VK governments) apart from the "24 year rule", that forbids Danes and foreigners living in Denmark to bring a spouse to the country if they are under 24. They are still more concerned about refugees, though, wanting to give asylum to trafficked women and such.
The SPP right wing has been pretty tough on crime too for a leftist party. But they are still softies compared to DPP and the Liberals (Venstre). And also still more focused on fighting white collar crime and traffickers than the right wing.
Left wing is more "old school" leftist focusing on preventing crime through social programs and being enthusiastic about alternative sentencing etc. They are also more humanistic/principled in their refugee policy.

We have a poster, Jens, who is a member of the SPP maybe you should pm him if you are writing a paper or something, he could give you more accurate answers than I can.
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2013, 01:01:45 pm »

What, are the "Reds" near of getting a MP in Norway? Aren't they like old-way dogmatic communists?

Are they getting votes from the most left-wing voters of Socialist Left?
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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2013, 01:22:21 pm »

What, are the "Reds" near of getting a MP in Norway? Aren't they like old-way dogmatic communists?

Are they getting votes from the most left-wing voters of Socialist Left?
They include a lot of old Maoists and small left socialist groups, but not the Communist Party of Norway (the formerly Soviet loyal commies). Socialist Left has been very pragmatic while in government, so there is room for a "pure" socialist alternative to their left. I am actually surprised they aren't doing better.
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