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Question: Will Iceland and Norway ever join the EU?
#1Iceland, but not Norway  
#2Norway, but not Iceland  
#3Both  
#4None of them  
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« Reply #225 on: April 05, 2014, 12:07:53 pm »

The Finnish Prime Minister Jyrki Katainen has announced that he will resign in June where the Coalition Party will elect a new leader and PM. He says that he is interested European or other international positions, so perhaps European Commissioner.

http://www.kokoomus.fi/en/uncategorized-en/katainen-will-not-seek-new-term-as-party-leader-successor-to-become-new-prime-minister-in-summer/
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« Reply #226 on: April 05, 2014, 04:15:19 pm »
« Edited: April 05, 2014, 04:39:50 pm by politicus »

Icelandic voters are mostly negative when asked about whether the governments household debt plan will be beneficial or not according to a poll from MMR.
 
44,5 % thinks the plan will have a positive effect on the economy, 34,7 % that it will be negative and 20,8 % that it will have no effect at all.
PP voters are most enthusiastic with 70,3 % saying it will have a positive effect. IP second with 66,8 %.

Not surprisingly the opposition voters are critical.

Left Greens: 9,2 % positive/ 75 % negative
SDA: 12,9 % positive.
Pirates 13,5 % positive.
Bright Future 19,7 % positive.
 
Male pensioners and rural men are the most positive. Middle aged women from Reykjavik are the most negative.

This is not disastrous for the government as the plan is obviously a big disappointment compared to what was promised. But its worth remembering that the government is polling around 37-38% at the moment, so doing well among government voters isn't going to win elections. Basically the disappointed swing voters have already left.

Latest poll from Capacent Gallup
 
IP 24,4 percent
PP 13,4 percent (lowest in  a Gallup poll in 1,5 years)
Bright Future 17,5 procent
SDA 16,7 percent
Left Greens 12,2 percent
Pirates 9,2 percent
 
Only 37 percent of voters support the government. Down from 42% in the last poll.

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« Reply #227 on: April 07, 2014, 01:03:53 pm »

At the latest of the ongoing protest meetings on Austurvöllur against the governments decision to suspend the EU negotiations without holding a referendum publicist Benedikt Jóhannesson from IPs inner circle (and related to party chairman Bjarni Benediktsson) announced his intent to start a new pro-European Conservative party. This could potentially steal voters from not just IP, but also Bright Future and SDA right wingers. Having no pro-EU party on the right side has been a clear advantage for the Icelandic centre-left. A poll showed that 40% of Icelandic voters would "consider voting for such a party" (Icelandic politics is surely weird these days), but I doubt he can get more than 10% if he gets this thing going, still that may be enough.

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« Reply #228 on: April 14, 2014, 03:38:44 pm »

Sara Olsvig is running for chairman of IA
Here is the announcement from her facebook page - in Greenlandic, Danish and English :-)

Sukumiisumik isumaliutigereerlugu ippassaq immikkoortortaqarfitsinnut qinigaatitatsinnullu nalunaarpunga Inuit Ataqatigiit siulittaasussaattut qinersinissamut sassarniarlunga pissanganaq!

Efter grundige overvejelser meddelte jeg i gĺr vores lokalforeninger og folkevalgte, at jeg stiller op til formandsposten i Inuit Ataqatigiit spćndende!

After having thought of this thoroughly I yesterday informed the local branches of our party, that I am running as party leader - exciting!
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« Reply #229 on: April 21, 2014, 12:13:31 pm »

If the yes-side wins the independence referendum Scotland will apply for membership of the Nordic Council according to an interview with SNP foreign policy spokesman Angus Robertson on NRK.

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« Reply #230 on: April 21, 2014, 12:30:02 pm »

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« Reply #231 on: April 21, 2014, 01:10:28 pm »

haha what
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« Reply #232 on: April 21, 2014, 01:53:55 pm »

Why though? Did Salmond watch a few episodes of Borgen and just think that it seems like such a lovely place?
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« Reply #233 on: April 21, 2014, 03:17:03 pm »

I could see observer status such as that held by the Baltic states, but anything more than maybe associate status for Orkney and Shetland would seem ludicrous.
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« Reply #234 on: April 23, 2014, 04:51:19 am »
« Edited: April 23, 2014, 06:56:41 am by politicus »

Why though? Did Salmond watch a few episodes of Borgen and just think that it seems like such a lovely place?

Scotland is part of the North Atlantic region and the Nordic model is also seen as attractive to many Scots. Such as the people in http://www.nordichorizons.org and http://reidfoundation.org/common-weal.

Its an idea that's been floating around for at least a couple of years.

http://nationalcollective.com/2013/06/10/exclusive-icelandic-prime-minister-ready-to-welcome-an-independent-scotland

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/as-others-see-us-the-view-from-denmark.2012059452

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« Reply #235 on: April 23, 2014, 10:59:28 am »

It's an eastern movement of the 'Arc of Prosperity' delusion.
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« Reply #236 on: April 24, 2014, 04:50:49 am »

While I personally would be against more than observer status to Scotland because full membership would kill the linguistic dimension in the Nordic cooperation, there is an emotional foundation for this. Most Danes and Norwegians visiting or living in Scotland feels a sense of commonality - somehow Scotland feels close to us (and its not just rain, mountains and binge drinking Wink ) and its my impression a lot of Scots feel the same way about Scandinavia.

Regarding Norwegians and Scots Norwegian author of Řyene i Vest (The Islands in the West) Kirsti Jareg put it this way: "There is a great commonality of character to the two peoples. A peculiar duality of vulnerability and robustness that each of them recognises in the other."
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« Reply #237 on: April 29, 2014, 04:23:28 pm »

With a few days left before May 1. only 27% of Danish voters consider SD to be "a labour party",  43% disagree, while 30% are undecided. Just 46% of SD voters agree that it is a labour party.

36% consider Helle Thorning-Schmidt to be bourgeois (borgerlig) and only 29% view her as a Social Democrat, 30% answers neither and 5% don't know.

Meanwhile the DPP is polling at a record 22% and SD no. 2 Mette Frederiksen speaks as if she was already the new chairman. Still SD is above 20% for the first time since January, so congrats Helle...

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« Reply #238 on: May 07, 2014, 03:18:39 pm »
« Edited: May 07, 2014, 03:22:45 pm by politicus »

A new right wing party has been started in Iceland by free church congregations and anti-homosexual/transgender activists. Its based on Christian values in the US Christian Right tradition. Generally the far right hasn't been very successful in Iceland, with the Right Greens flopping at the latest election with their blend of anti-immigration, low taxes and faux environmentalism, so it will be interesting to see if this works for them.

Kristin stjórnmálasamtök wants to ban gay marriage, get rid of the gender neutral marriage ritual and only allow abortions if the mothers health is in danger, forbid the use of surrogate moters + cut state funding for sex change operations and stop non-Christian immigration to Iceland.

On foreign policy they want to cut ties to the EU (which they see as a treat to Icelands independence) and China while strengthening Icelands relations to the US and try to join NAFTA. They want to change the constitution in order to ban the Althing from giving away Icelandic sovereignty or if that's not possible require 80% acceptance in a referendum for giving up sovereignty.

Several church leaders including a handful of prominent free church ministers have denounced the new party, calling it right wing extremist and intolerant.
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« Reply #239 on: May 08, 2014, 08:05:33 am »
« Edited: May 08, 2014, 08:09:47 am by Diouf »

Government voted down but no resignation



Today was the final vote on the proposed resolution on child benefits. The resolution, proposed by DF, the Conservatives and the Liberal Alliance, says that the administration of the child benefits law should happen according to the Danish law from 2010. The law states that EU citizens must earn up the right to child benefits; i.e. they can't get the full amount of child benefits before they've worked here for two years. A year ago the government stopped administrating according to this law as they had been warned by the European Commission and later their own judicial service that this was not legal according to EU law. Therefore all EU citizens can get the full child benefits if they work at least nine hours a week.
There has been some doubt as to how the Liberals would vote as the party has been internally divided. In the end they voted for the resolution, expect for one rebel who, unlike the other liberal rebels, refused to be cleared from voting. This meant that there was a majority for the proposal with the three proposers, Enhedslisten and the Liberals voting for the resolution. The government and SF voted against the proposal.
In practice, the resolution will mean nothing; the government can keep administrating according to the EU rules. They argue that in order for the administration to be changes, the actual child benefits law should be changed and include a passage which states that the law is approved with the knowledge that it is breaching EU rules. This should ensure that the ministers can not be charged for acting against the law, which is this case is the EU law which ranks above Danish laws. Such a law change has not yet been proposed.

However, Enhedslisten has refused to support a no confidence motion against the government despite calls for just that by many members of the right-wing parties, especially DF. So in the end, this case will result in nothing more than a further EU-scepticism and more success for DF in the European elections.
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« Reply #240 on: May 18, 2014, 04:14:23 pm »
« Edited: May 18, 2014, 04:34:09 pm by politicus »

At their party conference the Red Green Alliance in Denmark agreed on a new party program to replace the very long and very Marxist one they had, which has made it difficult to connect to new voter groups unfamiliar with left wing tradition and Marxist terminology.

The Red Greens have grown from 2.300 members to 10.000 since the last party program was agreed upon and many of the new members are also unfamiliar with Marxist terminology, so even internally this makes sense.

The old program mentioned revolution 29 times, the new one only once and in a context where its clear that they want to do it by democratic methods.

Also they are going from wanting communal ownership of all means of production to only wanting "fundamental changes to the economic structure".

A controversial paragraph about abolishing the police and replacing it with workers militias (in a hypothetical revolutionary situation) is also gone and they even back the military, all though only to be used in UN peace keeping operations.

So all in all. Moderate heroes! As a Trotskyist stated: The new programme tries to bridge from the left wing to the Liberals.

Party leadership has also been met with criticism for trying to weed out far left and controversial candidates for the next election.

Among them is Muslim convert Anna Rytter.
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« Reply #241 on: May 19, 2014, 08:32:56 am »

Former minister of foreign affairs Jonas Gahr Střre has been elected as the new leader of the Norwegian Labour party. That means that Gahr Střre will be Labour’s candidate for Prime Minister in 2017.

Gahr Střre is considered to belong to the moderate-conservative faction of Labour, and there are few political differences between him and former leader Jens Stoltenberg.
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« Reply #242 on: May 19, 2014, 08:59:34 am »

At their party conference the Red Green Alliance in Denmark agreed on a new party program to replace the very long and very Marxist one they had, which has made it difficult to connect to new voter groups unfamiliar with left wing tradition and Marxist terminology.

The Red Greens have grown from 2.300 members to 10.000 since the last party program was agreed upon and many of the new members are also unfamiliar with Marxist terminology, so even internally this makes sense.

The old program mentioned revolution 29 times, the new one only once and in a context where its clear that they want to do it by democratic methods.

Also they are going from wanting communal ownership of all means of production to only wanting "fundamental changes to the economic structure".

A controversial paragraph about abolishing the police and replacing it with workers militias (in a hypothetical revolutionary situation) is also gone and they even back the military, all though only to be used in UN peace keeping operations.

So all in all. Moderate heroes! As a Trotskyist stated: The new programme tries to bridge from the left wing to the Liberals.

Party leadership has also been met with criticism for trying to weed out far left and controversial candidates for the next election.

Among them is Muslim convert Anna Rytter.
Good for them, I'll say. The real question is not what's in a party's programme from any congress, but how they implement it and what political choices they make. Getting rid of archaic marxist terminology has always been on my personal book.
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« Reply #243 on: May 19, 2014, 06:25:12 pm »
« Edited: May 19, 2014, 06:46:35 pm by freefair »

The Red Green Alliance seem to now be fully fledged Democratic Socialists rather than Lenninists.
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« Reply #244 on: May 19, 2014, 06:32:06 pm »
« Edited: May 19, 2014, 06:33:56 pm by politicus »

That's not a quote. Why did you make it as one?
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« Reply #245 on: May 19, 2014, 06:47:19 pm »

mistake! corrected.
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« Reply #246 on: May 19, 2014, 07:03:49 pm »

The Red Green Alliance seem to now be fully fledged Democratic Socialists rather than Lenninists.


The old programme was also pro-democracy - if you bothered to read it properly (which nobody did). But it was a hotchpotch of strange and internally contradicting relics from the past with some weird hypothetical scenarios in which a future elected socialist government had to defend itself against reactionary counter revolutionaries by arming the workers - and the party leadership had to defend it time and again.

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« Reply #247 on: May 28, 2014, 11:23:54 am »

DF biggest party in a national poll for the first time ever. In a poll by YouGov for MetroExpress, DF is the biggest party. This is not very surprising days after they won the EP elections clearly and with the Liberals tormented by the expenses scandals of their leader, but nevertheless quite significant. No suprise that it's a YouGov poll either; they have consistenly been showing the highest DF results.

DF 23.9% 42 seats
Liberals 21.3% 38
Social Democrats 17.6% 31
Enhedslisten/Unity List 11.9% 21
Social Liberals 8.7% 15
Liberal Alliance 6.7% 12
SF 4.8% 9
Conservatives 4.2% 7
Christian Democrats 0.9% 0

Government + supporting parties = 76 seats
Opposition = 99 seats
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« Reply #248 on: May 28, 2014, 01:00:38 pm »

DF biggest party in a national poll for the first time ever. In a poll by YouGov for MetroExpress, DF is the biggest party. This is not very surprising days after they won the EP elections clearly and with the Liberals tormented by the expenses scandals of their leader, but nevertheless quite significant. No suprise that it's a YouGov poll either; they have consistenly been showing the highest DF results.

DF 23.9% 42 seats
Liberals 21.3% 38
Social Democrats 17.6% 31
Enhedslisten/Unity List 11.9% 21
Social Liberals 8.7% 15
Liberal Alliance 6.7% 12
SF 4.8% 9
Conservatives 4.2% 7
Christian Democrats 0.9% 0

Government + supporting parties = 76 seats
Opposition = 99 seats

With other polls showing the Social Democrats back ahead, would Helle risk a snap election at all?
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« Reply #249 on: May 28, 2014, 02:51:48 pm »

DF biggest party in a national poll for the first time ever. In a poll by YouGov for MetroExpress, DF is the biggest party. This is not very surprising days after they won the EP elections clearly and with the Liberals tormented by the expenses scandals of their leader, but nevertheless quite significant. No suprise that it's a YouGov poll either; they have consistenly been showing the highest DF results.

DF 23.9% 42 seats
Liberals 21.3% 38
Social Democrats 17.6% 31
Enhedslisten/Unity List 11.9% 21
Social Liberals 8.7% 15
Liberal Alliance 6.7% 12
SF 4.8% 9
Conservatives 4.2% 7
Christian Democrats 0.9% 0

Government + supporting parties = 76 seats
Opposition = 99 seats

With other polls showing the Social Democrats back ahead, would Helle risk a snap election at all?

No. This poll has Liberals + DF on 55,2% - and it might be right. An election now would be extremely risky.
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