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« Reply #525 on: July 14, 2015, 08:24:40 am »
« edited: July 14, 2015, 09:22:17 am by Charlotte Hebdo »

Except for party chairman Mette Frederiksen, who leaves The Network and is now officially neutral, all Danish SD MPs have now joined a faction (the so called coffee clubs). The left wing Rust Knockers have folded after their leader Minister of  Housing Carsten Hansen failed to get reelected and the remaining six members have joined a new coffee club called The Lunch Club under former Mayor of Århus and Minister for Europe (and ex spokesperson for finance, foreign affairs etc.) Nicolai Wammen. The Lunch Clubs is centered on a network of former student politicians from Århus, whose SD chapter is traditionally moderately leftist. This marks a comeback for Wammen who is a former SD wonderboy, but was sidelined by Thorning because he was a potential rival and a stronger alternative to the dominant right wing Breakfast Club.

Danish SDs thereby continue their tradition for being extremely factionalised (and choosing extremely bland names for their factions - The Lunch Club vs The Breakfast Club is bordering on self parody).

The breakdown is:


The Breakfast Club (20):

Henrik Sass Larsen, Morten Drejer, Mette Reissmann, Trine Bramsen, Helle Thorning-Schmidt, Nick Hækkerup, Benny Engelbrecht, Bjarne Corydon, Thomas Jensen, Henrik Dam Kristensen, Mogens Jensen, Leif Lahn, Christine Antorini (once Crown Princess in SPP), Julie Skovsby, Karin Gaardsted, Anette Lind, Pernille Schnoor, Maja Panduro, Erik Christensen, Astrid Krag (ex SPP).


The Network (7):

Pernille Rosenkrantz-Theill (ex Red Green - long time ago), Peter Hummelgaard Thomsen, Jesper Petersen (ex SPP), Ane Halsboe-Jørgensen, Flemming Møller Mortensen, Mogens Lykketoft (former Chairman), Jens Joel.


The Lunch Club (19):

Nicolai Wammen, Kirsten Brosbøll, Dan Jørgensen, Christian Rabjerg Madsen, Kaare Dybvad, Magnus Heunicke, Rasmus Horn Langhoff, Lea Wermelin, Rasmus Prehn, Simon Kollerup, Yildiz Akdogan, Daniel Toft Jakobsen + Former Rust Knockers: Mette Gjerskov, Bjarne Laustsen, Jan Johansen, Lennart Damsbo-Andersen, Orla Hav, Karen Klint + Ex SPP (and ex Communist): Mattias Tesfaye.


A few surprises:

HTS joining the Breakfast Club knowing that she can never lead it (Sass Larsen would never allow that),which seems to indicate she plans to stay in Danish  politics for some time.

The three former Workerite SPPs (Krag, Petersen and Tesfaye) joining three different clubs, which is seen as a tactical move to maximize their influence.

Newly elected outspoken left wing critic Peter Hummelgaard Thomsen joining The Network.

The breakdown after the 2011 election was:

Rust Knockers: 8
Network: 16
Breakfast Club: 18
HTS and Corydon officially neutral. Corydon joined the Breakfast Club earlier this year.
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« Reply #526 on: July 14, 2015, 11:44:27 am »

The Breakfast Club? Most people would think of the movie.
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« Reply #527 on: July 15, 2015, 12:37:55 pm »

Icelandic unemployment was at a post-crash record low in June with only 2,6% of the workforce being out of work.  Of the 4,757 unemployed a disproportionate 979 were foreigners (590 Poles).

In most countries the government would be rewarded for such a low unemployment level, but this is Iceland...
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« Reply #528 on: July 15, 2015, 12:45:01 pm »

Iceland has also abolished its old blasphemy law earlier this month, a Pirate led proposal.
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« Reply #529 on: July 17, 2015, 11:45:07 pm »

Anders Breivik has been admitted to Oslo University, where he is going to study political science. Despite his studies only taking place in his cell a lot of people are not happy... and it is going to be quite costly with guards having to act as intermediaries.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/17/uk-norway-breivik-university-idUKKCN0PR1D720150717
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« Reply #530 on: July 18, 2015, 08:28:22 am »

He's so getting lynched one of these days.
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« Reply #531 on: July 18, 2015, 08:41:19 am »

LOL Nordic prisons. All I can say.
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« Reply #532 on: July 18, 2015, 11:30:43 am »
« Edited: July 18, 2015, 11:32:28 am by Helsinkian »

In Finland we introduced this thing called citizens' initiative a couple of years ago. If 50,000 adult citizens sign an initiative within a period of six months, the parliament has to take it into consideration and debate it. The law doesn't obligate the parliament to vote on its approval/rejection, but all initiatives thus far have been voted on in the parliament.

The only citizens' initiative that the parliament has actually approved after a vote was the initiative on same sex-marriage, which was passed last year. Interestingly, another initiative that calls for marriage to be defined as a union between a man and a woman has now gathered the required 50,000 signatures, so the parliament has to take the issue up again.

Another initiative that has been gathering steam is an initiative calling for a referendum on Finland's membership in the Eurozone; in only three days it has gathered 40% of the signatures needed.
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« Reply #533 on: July 19, 2015, 01:29:26 pm »

Another initiative that has been gathering steam is an initiative calling for a referendum on Finland's membership in the Eurozone; in only three days it has gathered 40% of the signatures needed.

What happened to the Initiative about getting rid of mandatory Swedish? Voted down, or not taken up yet?

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« Reply #534 on: July 19, 2015, 02:59:00 pm »

Another initiative that has been gathering steam is an initiative calling for a referendum on Finland's membership in the Eurozone; in only three days it has gathered 40% of the signatures needed.

What happened to the Initiative about getting rid of mandatory Swedish? Voted down, or not taken up yet?

It was voted on in March in the last days of the previous parliament. It was defeated 134-48.
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« Reply #535 on: July 19, 2015, 03:58:03 pm »

Another initiative that has been gathering steam is an initiative calling for a referendum on Finland's membership in the Eurozone; in only three days it has gathered 40% of the signatures needed.

What happened to the Initiative about getting rid of mandatory Swedish? Voted down, or not taken up yet?

It was voted on in March in the last days of the previous parliament. It was defeated 134-48.

I suppose TF was for and all other parties against?
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« Reply #536 on: July 19, 2015, 04:04:23 pm »

Another initiative that has been gathering steam is an initiative calling for a referendum on Finland's membership in the Eurozone; in only three days it has gathered 40% of the signatures needed.

What happened to the Initiative about getting rid of mandatory Swedish? Voted down, or not taken up yet?

It was voted on in March in the last days of the previous parliament. It was defeated 134-48.

I suppose TF was for and all other parties against?

Yes, though there were some individual MPs in the other parties who voted in favour of the initiative.
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« Reply #537 on: July 20, 2015, 10:07:42 am »
« Edited: July 20, 2015, 10:12:04 am by politicus »

Share of foreign born in the Nordic countries:

Sweden 15.9
Norway 13.8
Iceland 10.4
Greenland 10.0
Denmark 9.9
Faroe Islands 7.4
Finland 5.4

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-countries-have-the-most-immigrants/

The Icelandic number is interesting. It fell from 8.3% to ca 7% after the crash, but is now well above pre-crash level. Many Icelanders have left for Norway (which is part of the reason their unemployment level is so low), but Poles and Lithuanians that left after the crash have returned and more Eastern Europeans and Asians are coming. Iceland now has the same share of immigrants as Belgium.

Norwegian numbers includes lots of Swedes, Danes and Icelanders attracted to the Emirates of Scandinavia. Greenland and the Faroes is mostly Danes and Greenlanders/Faroese born in Denmark (but a growing number of Asian women filling up the gender gap from young women leaving for Denmark) and Sweden includes a big chunk of Finns that have been there for ages.
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« Reply #538 on: July 21, 2015, 01:21:33 pm »

I read that the Sweden Democrats are organizing a Gay Pride parade in some of Stockholm's "ghettos", which I think is pretty funny... does this get a lot of media attention in Sweden?
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« Reply #539 on: July 21, 2015, 03:10:05 pm »

I read that the Sweden Democrats are organizing a Gay Pride parade in some of Stockholm's "ghettos", which I think is pretty funny... does this get a lot of media attention in Sweden?

thats hilarious. id join in just for fun. perhaps right-populist parties should do this more often.
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« Reply #540 on: July 21, 2015, 03:18:57 pm »

I read that the Sweden Democrats are organizing a Gay Pride parade in some of Stockholm's "ghettos", which I think is pretty funny... does this get a lot of media attention in Sweden?

thats hilarious. id join in just for fun. perhaps right-populist parties should do this more often.

Getting stoned is not funny, and that is what happened to our (normal and legitimate) gay pride parade year after year when they passed through Nørrebro, which only has about a third Muslims. This parade is going through majority Muslim areas (70-75%) and is organized by Islamophobes. Violence is inevaitable.
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« Reply #541 on: July 22, 2015, 08:38:21 am »

I read that the Sweden Democrats are organizing a Gay Pride parade in some of Stockholm's "ghettos", which I think is pretty funny... does this get a lot of media attention in Sweden?

thats hilarious. id join in just for fun. perhaps right-populist parties should do this more often.

Getting stoned is not funny, and that is what happened to our (normal and legitimate) gay pride parade year after year when they passed through Nørrebro, which only has about a third Muslims. This parade is going through majority Muslim areas (70-75%) and is organized by Islamophobes. Violence is inevaitable.
Didn't know that this happened to the Danish parade. I'm not really surprised, but that is awful and appalling.

Hopefully, all of progressive Sweden will not immediately have the "OMG Sweden Democrats!1!!" Pavlov, but instead think about the issue that the Sweden Democrats want to address. The sad truth is that there is a contradiction between progressive values (like equality for LGBTs) and multiculturalism/mass immigration. At least, The Sweden Democrats are right about that type of hypocrisy.
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« Reply #542 on: July 22, 2015, 08:56:20 am »

I read that the Sweden Democrats are organizing a Gay Pride parade in some of Stockholm's "ghettos", which I think is pretty funny... does this get a lot of media attention in Sweden?

thats hilarious. id join in just for fun. perhaps right-populist parties should do this more often.

Getting stoned is not funny, and that is what happened to our (normal and legitimate) gay pride parade year after year when they passed through Nørrebro, which only has about a third Muslims. This parade is going through majority Muslim areas (70-75%) and is organized by Islamophobes. Violence is inevaitable.
Didn't know that this happened to the Danish parade. I'm not really surprised, but that is awful and appalling.

Hopefully, all of progressive Sweden will not immediately have the "OMG Sweden Democrats!1!!" Pavlov, but instead think about the issue that the Sweden Democrats want to address. The sad truth is that there is a contradiction between progressive values (like equality for LGBTs) and multiculturalism/mass immigration. At least, The Sweden Democrats are right about that type of hypocrisy.

Well the Sweden Democrat behind it is himself known to make homophobe remarks..

The contradiction is not between progressive values and immigration but between progressive values and conservative values, no matter if voiced by natives or immigrants.
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« Reply #543 on: July 22, 2015, 09:15:06 am »

Reactionary values, not quite the same thing.
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« Reply #544 on: July 27, 2015, 12:51:27 pm »
« Edited: July 27, 2015, 12:54:50 pm by Helsinkian »

In recent days in Finnish politics there has been a big controversy over the Facebook posts of the Finns Party MP Olli Immonen:

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YLE: Finnish MP calls for fight against "nightmare of multiculturalism"
Politico: Finnish politician declares war on ‘multiculturalism’

Critics of him in the opposition parties have demanded that the Finns Party expel him, and among the Finns Party's government partners Prime Minister Sipilä and Finance Minister Stubb have also condemned his views.

There have been critics within the Finns Party as well, even though the party's official platform states that Finland should "renounce the idea that multiculturalism is necessary or desirable". These critics within the party have taken issue with Immonen's "warlike" rhetoric.
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« Reply #545 on: July 28, 2015, 09:01:41 am »
« Edited: July 29, 2015, 08:25:01 am by politicus »

After a thorough two month linguistic and motivational analysis senior lecturer in political communication and rhetoric at the University of Copenhagen Klaus Kjøller claims that he is now 100% certain that the leader of the right wing Breakfast Club Henrik Sass Larsen is the author of "The Secret Social Democrat", which revealed a number of internal feuds in the party.

The villain in the book is former Minister of Finance Bjarne Corydon and according to Kjøller Sass Larsen wrote the book to prevent his rival on the right wing Corydon from taking over after HTS expected loss. Instead preferring to strike a deal with Mette Frederiksen from the centre-left of the party to keep his control over the right wing.

Sass Larsen of course denies this.

Among Kjøller's more quirky facts is that Sass Larsens hometown Køge is the third most mentioned place name in the book with 22 hits (after Christiansborg and Copenhagen), while the second city of Denmark,Århus is only mentioned 3 times.

"The Secret Social Democrat" sold 30,000+ copies and the author  earned 250 000 dollars, which is very high for a Danish political book.

tl;dr: Danish academics have too much time on their hands.
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« Reply #546 on: July 28, 2015, 03:29:38 pm »
« Edited: July 28, 2015, 03:31:48 pm by DavidB. »

In recent days in Finnish politics there has been a big controversy over the Facebook posts of the Finns Party MP Olli Immonen:

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YLE: Finnish MP calls for fight against "nightmare of multiculturalism"
Politico: Finnish politician declares war on ‘multiculturalism’

Critics of him in the opposition parties have demanded that the Finns Party expel him, and among the Finns Party's government partners Prime Minister Sipilä and Finance Minister Stubb have also condemned his views.

There have been critics within the Finns Party as well, even though the party's official platform states that Finland should "renounce the idea that multiculturalism is necessary or desirable". These critics within the party have taken issue with Immonen's "warlike" rhetoric.
His English is pretty bad, but his statement is so ludicrous that it's funny. He should be a script writer for an action film.

On a more serious note, I find the whole idea of symbolically "renouncing multiculturalism" so useless. Merkel, Cameron, and Rutte all did it, but what does it even mean? Multiculturalism is not only an "ideology", but it is also reality (though perhaps less so in Finland than in most EU countries). By all means, push for policies that close the border to uneducated immigrants from third-world countries, but don't make ridiculous, bombastic statements without any meaning in reality. And don't alienate people who aren't going to leave anyway, at least not if it doesn't make sense to do so.

After a thorough two month linguistic and motivational analysis senior lecturer Klaus Kjøller in political communication and rhetoric  at the University of Copenhagen claims that he is now 100% certain that the leader of the right wing Breakfast Club Henrik Sass Larsen is the author of "The Secret Social Democrat", which revealed a number of internal feuds in the party.

The villain in the book is former Minister of Finance Bjarne Corydon and according to Kjøller Sass Larsen wrote the book to prevent his rival on the right wing Corydon from taking over after HTS expected loss. Instead preferring to strike a deal with Mette Frederiksen from the centre-left of the party to keep his control over the right wing.

Sass Larsen of course denies this.

Among Kjøller's more quirky facts is that Sass Larsens hometown Køge is the third most mentioned place name in the book with 22 hits (after Christiansborg and Copenhagen), while the second city of Denmark Århus is only mentioned 3 times.

The Secret Social Democrat sold 30,000+ copies and the author  earned 250,000 dollars, which is very high for a Danish political book.

tl;dr: Danish academics have too much time on their hands.

European SDs have become sh** at winning elections, but at least they're champions in their own league, which is called "backstabbing".
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« Reply #547 on: July 29, 2015, 06:15:21 am »
« Edited: July 29, 2015, 07:28:49 am by politicus »

With less than one year to go it is still wide open who will be the next President of Iceland. A new Gallup poll has 62% undecided and among the 38% with an opinion the poll is topped by two candidates who have both declined any interest in the Presidency, with another polling fourth:

Jón Gnarr 21% (after repeatedly saying he does not want to be President Gnarrs support is now mostly down to youngish male Pirate supporters and some BFs, who are likely old Best Party fans. He has 35% support among under 30s and only 3% of the 60+ segment.

LG chairman Katrín Jakobsdóttir 17%, popular with left wing women and female Pirates.

President forever (well, 20 years) Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson 11% (ironically the old Socialist is only really popular among PP voters with 40% - which is logical given his staunch Euroscepticism)

Grimsson says he may be willing to run for a sixth term, and will then retire after two years after the EU question and the constitutional bill have been handled.

Þóru Arnórsdóttur, TV journalist who ran unsuccessfully against Grimsson in 2012 and says she has no intention of running again gets 8%.

Ragna Árnadóttir, former CEO of energy company Landsvirkjun 6%

Davíð Oddsson, former PM, central bank director and current editor in chief of Morgunblaðið + grey eminence of the Icelandic right wing 3% (Oddsson as President would a nightmare come through for the left, but is completely unrealistic)

Author Þórarinn Eldjárn 2% (son of former President Kristján Eldjárn and translator of Alice in Wonderland, which would be sort of fitting in a quirky way)

Former principal of the University of Iceland Kristín Ingólfsdóttir 2%

25% mention a candidate with less than 2% support and 3% say they will vote for "any woman".

http://www.mbl.is/media/61/9161.pdf
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« Reply #548 on: July 29, 2015, 07:28:28 am »

IP leader Bjarni Benediktsson wants to combine the Presidential election with a vote on a new watered down constitutional bill. This will put voters in a dilemma since they approved a more far reaching constitutional proposal in 2012, which was then stalled by the pols, and can now either vote "No" in which case the government can claim the staus quo is OK or approve  a constitution that doesn't really change that much.

Still, IP and PP will in all likelyhood be out of office in 2017 and the centre-left more or less have to implement a direct democracy/public ownership to natural resources constitution if they win. Their failure to do so was one of the main reasons they lost in 2013. Also one of the key factors behind the rise of the Pirates.
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« Reply #549 on: July 30, 2015, 06:24:25 am »

Why is Denmark's "ritual slaughter" ban all over the international news? I thought this had been enacted more than a year ago? All news articles say that "Minister Dan Jorgensen" is commenting on it, but he's a social democrat, and (thus) not a minister anymore, right? So what's happening?

And what do the "borgerlige" parties think of this ban? Will it be repealed?
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