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Question: Will Iceland and Norway ever join the EU?
#1Iceland, but not Norway  
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« Reply #675 on: September 21, 2015, 09:05:34 am »

My opinion of Iceland has gone down drastically due to the boycott saga. Such morons. I'm flying to the US next month, hope I don't have a layover in that country because I don't want to visit it anymore.

Keep in mind, the mayor of the city has condemned the resolution and called for it to be repealed, so it's not Iceland as a whole, just their insane city council.

The resolution is also in violation of WTO statutes, so it's likely to bite them in the butt.
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« Reply #676 on: September 21, 2015, 09:15:49 am »

Keep in mind, the mayor of the city has condemned the resolution and called for it to be repealed, so it's not Iceland as a whole, just their insane city council.

The resolution is also in violation of WTO statutes, so it's likely to bite them in the butt.
You're right Wink Still I feel at least Reykjavik deserves to get some sh*t for doing this.
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« Reply #677 on: September 21, 2015, 09:21:59 am »
« Edited: September 21, 2015, 09:27:38 am by politicus »

My opinion of Iceland has gone down drastically due to the boycott saga. Such morons. I'm flying to the US next month, hope I don't have a layover in that country because I don't want to visit it anymore.

Keep in mind, the mayor of the city has condemned the resolution and called for it to be repealed, so it's not Iceland as a whole, just their insane city council.

The resolution is also in violation of WTO statutes, so it's likely to bite them in the butt.

Not really accurate. The resolution was passed by a broad four party centre-left/alternative progressives majority (SDA, LG, BF and Pirates). The Mayor, who is from SDA, and his colleagues then got cold feet after the strong reaction and the parties behind it decided to change it to a boycott of products from the occupied territories, as I described in the long post above (#668).

There is no rift between the Mayor and the majority in the City Council, that passed the resolution (which Eggertsson was part of) and he hasn't "condemned" it, just said it was a hasty and ill prepared (= not fully thought through) decision.

I doubt it is in violation of WTO for a subnational entity to boycott another treaty country. What is your source for that?
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« Reply #678 on: September 24, 2015, 12:44:29 pm »

After having been quite stable since the election a new Megafon poll has the Liberals dropping 3% and a Red Bloc majority for the first time since the election. DPP and LA gains 1.8% combined. Venstre says its the refugee crisis, but I that hardly explains a small shift to the left. Unless the small gains to RV and SPP are pro-refugee votes from SDs, which thens gains a few centre-right votes. Few go straight from V to RV these days and I really doubt Venstre is losing votes to the left on refugees.
Well, at least first post-election poll of any interest. Lowest Venstre share since the chairmanship debacle in early 2014.

Last Megafon poll in brackets.

Enhedslisten: 8,7 pct. (9,1 pct.)
Alternativet: 5,5 pct. (4,9 pct.)
Socialistisk Folkeparti: 4,8 pct. (4,0 pct.)
Socialdemokraterne: 26,1 pct. (26,4% pct.)
Radikale Venstre: 5,1 pct. (4,4 pct.)


Kristendemokraterne: 0,3 pct. (0,4 pct.)
Dansk Folkeparti: 20,9 pct. (19,8 pct.)
Venstre: 17,0 pct. (20,0 pct)
Det Konservative Folkeparti: 3,1 pct. (3,2 pct.)
Liberal Alliance: 8,3 pct. (7,6 pct.)

Blue bloc: 49,6 pct. (87)
Red bloc: 50,4 pct. (88)
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« Reply #679 on: September 24, 2015, 06:54:06 pm »

Oh my
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« Reply #680 on: September 25, 2015, 12:18:50 pm »



Well there's a minor scandal in the government where minister of defence Carl Holst who's former Chairman of the Region of Southern Denmark used a employee in the region (Christian Ingemann Nielsen) as a personal assistant in the election campaign and now he work for him as a so called "spin doctor". It's in itself a minor scandal. The problem is that Carl Holst have handled it in the worst possible way including lying to the press and being caught in doing so.

It doesn't help that Christian Ingemann Nielsen is a complete idiot, who's a walking disaster on his own, and Holst have handled two other media storm badly since the election, and that no one get why he has become minister of defence including himself (he should become minister of heath a area he do have experience in).
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« Reply #681 on: September 25, 2015, 12:28:27 pm »



Well there's a minor scandal in the government where minister of defence Carl Holst who's former Chairman of the Region of Southern Denmark used a employee in the region (Christian Ingemann Nielsen) as a personal assistant in the election campaign and now he work for him as a so called "spin doctor". It's in itself a minor scandal. The problem is that Carl Holst have handled it in the worst possible way including lying to the press and being caught in doing so.

It doesn't help that Christian Ingemann Nielsen is a complete idiot, who's a walking disaster on his own, and Holst have handled two other media storm badly since the election, and that no one get why he has become minister of defence including himself (he should become minister of heath a area he do have experience in).

"Oh my" was a comment to a post showing a picture from the cartoon "Scandinavia and the world", which I have deleted because someone reported it. Not the poll result.
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« Reply #682 on: September 26, 2015, 09:43:40 am »
« Edited: September 27, 2015, 03:58:27 am by politicus »

The race is on to fill the vacant gap to the right of DPP. Three National Conservatives from the Conservative People's Party's right wing have founded a new party called We Conservatives, the only really interesting about this is that one of them is called Peter Seier Christensen, lives in überwealthy Rungsted and might be related to Saxo Bank co-founder, tax exiled billionaire and LA bankroller Lars Seier Christensen. Also, what a lame name when they could have gone with the historical Højre ("the Right"), the only decent name for a Danish National Conservative party.

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Meanwhile Danish Unity is still trying to recruit the cream of the National Conservative/counterjihad public intellectuals and professional debaters/talking heads.

On the less respectable part of the right wing two other groups are trying to get on the ballot:

On is the shirt and tie clad ("we are totally not Nazis, but coincidentally all our members used to be") "patriots" in the Dane's Party under leadership of affable Århus middle class boy Daniels Carlsen (whose permissive Liberal parents thought Nazism was just a phase...).

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The other is the continuity part of the old Progress Party, which has become an umbrella organization and invited other micro parties to join collectively. The North Jutland movement Stop the Islamization of Denmark (SIAD) and Free Denmark (led by known Fionian nutcase and police shooter Michael Ellegaard) are among them, but in addition 2-3 others, which they refuse to name despite collecting signatures for the party (really dubious practice...), but stating it is totally not the Dane's Party or other Nazi-affiliated groups, which is a bit puzzling because there isn't really other active far right non-Nazi affiliated groups left out there AFIK. Unless it is LA right wingers/MRAs or Danish Pegida is somehow still alive. The most moderate group left otherwise would be the Glistrup loyalist part of the Progress Party, which changed it's name to the Freedom Party (sic!) in 2013, but that has been joined by Lars Grønbæk and his "Nordic cultural association" Vederfølner with ties to racist/neo-Nazi  AGF hooligan group Ultra White Pride (Århus leading soccer team AGF plays in white jerseys, but obvious alternative meaning is obvious). So doesn't really qualify as non-Nazi. Besides the two rival Nationalist (pseudo-)Libertarian groups hate each other from their fierce 2010-13 infighting for control of the Progress Party.

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So either the Progress Party are boasting and no further orgs have joined them, they are lying and colluding with neo-Nazis, or there are some groups out there I don't know/can't remember. Which might be MRAs/anti-feminist Libertarians.

So two questions to fellow Danish posters:

1) Is Peter Seier Christensen related to Lars?
2) Any idea which micro parties/orgs may have joined the Progress Party?
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« Reply #683 on: September 26, 2015, 05:35:13 pm »
« Edited: September 26, 2015, 05:45:35 pm by politicus »

Poll about the Danish governments refugee policy shows massive cleavage between the under 30s and the rest of the population. Whereas the right wing 90s generation is more positive than the elderly. Interesting if this pattern will remain or change as the youngs grow older. People in their 30s grow up with multiculturalism as well and were pro-immigration, but turned more skeptical when they got established. But the difference is bigger now than 10 years ago.


"The policy harms Denmarks reputation abroad"

Yes-share:

18-29: 60%

30-39: 37%

40-49: 24%

50-59: 34%

60-70 år: 33%

70+: 29%

 
"The policy harms the integration of refugees in Danish society"

Yes-share:

18-29: 60%

30-39: 20%

40-49: 15%

50-59: 24%

60-70: 19%

70+: 20%
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« Reply #684 on: September 26, 2015, 08:10:42 pm »

They simply look too much alike for it to be a coincidence:

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« Reply #685 on: September 27, 2015, 03:32:02 am »

@Johan: Since I am not Swedish I have to take your word for it that the acronym SD doesn't give Social Democratic associations in Sweden, but when they chose the name Sverigedemokraterna back in 1988 that was a deliberate attempt to draw a parallel to Socialdemokraterna and an attempt to try to usurp the Folkhem legacy and focus on a (ethno-)national Folkhem for the Swedes with the positive associations to safety, comfort, national solidarity and community etc. that term gives (or at least gave back in 1988). After they started copycatting DPP the parallel is more directly to being the "True SocDems", claiming SAP has been taking over by aloof academics and multiculturalists with no connections to ordinary Swedes.

SVD would be awful since that acronym IS used - for the second biggest national morning paper, Svenska Dagbladet. SD has, as pointed out, never been used for the Social Democrats in Sweden so the acronym does not give those connotations. The full name is probably supposed to imply that but the confusion is something I only hear from non-Swedes, I've never met a Swede who find it hard to tell them apart.
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« Reply #686 on: September 27, 2015, 04:18:30 am »

SD has, as pointed out, never been used for the Social Democrats in Sweden so the acronym does not give those connotations. The full name is probably supposed to imply that but the confusion is something I only hear from non-Swedes, I've never met a Swede who find it hard to tell them apart.

I did not indicate the name was "confusing" or hard to tell apart in any way, but that it gives associations to Social Democracy, which was the intention. And such things mostly work on a subconscious level.
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« Reply #687 on: September 28, 2015, 06:42:18 pm »
« Edited: September 28, 2015, 07:45:41 pm by politicus »

Peter Seier Christensen is the brother of Lars Seier Christensen and even if LSC is a self made billionaire (son of a high school history teacher), this contact probably makes it possible for the new Conservative party to self finance, at least to some extent, which will put them ahead of competitors. PSC says he has no private money, but the Seier Christensen brothers are apparently fairly close, so he does have  access to his brothers business network. I doubt he would try something like this without having the financial side in order. He spoke at a Pegida demo in Malmø earlier this year, but says he was never a member of the organization.

The silly "We Conservatives" is just a working title, so they might still come up with a decent name. Its coming chairman Pernille Vermund is an architect and Elsinore city councillor. She is bright, likeable, fairly good looking, gets her points across and doesn't give off an extremist vibe, so this might be the best ticket for the National Conservatives (so far, there are stronger names out there, but they may not want to enter politics). Her worst rival Morten Uhrskov Jensen from Danish Unity is very knowledgable and a sharp debater, but he does come off as a curmudgeon and often looks like a dork.

The new party basically tries to combine the economic policy of LA with the immigration, law and order and EU policy of DPP.

Looking into their economic agenda (which seems to be LA lookalike), but the rest is:

- EEC membership instead of EU
- Only Western immigration, unless very specialized qualifications - sorting by cultural compatability
- Some UN quota refugees, but no to all spontaneous asylum seekers.

Political observers think this will be a bigger problem for the Conservatives than DPP, because Vermund and Seier Christensen dares challenge EU membership (even if they are still a bit iffy, but EEC is the logical consequence of their "only trade arrangement" position) and take the consequence of Papes half-assed flirt with anti-Islamism. Not so sure myself, there is a genuinely "all right wing" segment in DPP hidden behind all the former SDs.

Politics aint fair. Uhrskov is done:

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Danish Pegida folded earlier this year btw, but the members founded an organization called For Frihed (For Freedom), which might be one of the micro orgs going into the Progress Party, which seems to try to become a sort of Unity List (Enhedslisten) for the non-Nazi far right. But I think that will fail - too many nutters in already.
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« Reply #688 on: September 28, 2015, 07:06:55 pm »

Other main points:

- Significantly lower taxes and fees. Low income tax credit raised,  tax cuts for high incomes (basically ditch progressive taxation). Social benefits and income transfers only for the very weak (disabled, mentally ill, drug addicts, homeless etc.), not the middle class.
- Rolling back EU-membership. All supranational arrangements to be scrapped - only interstate cooperation (sounds a bit unrealistic - but they might land on EEC).
- Immigrants to be sorted by knowledge and country of origin.
- Temporary border control at times with high migration or security threats.
- Educational system should promote respect for Danish and Western traditions, hard work and the value of individual social responsibility.
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« Reply #689 on: September 28, 2015, 10:07:38 pm »
« Edited: September 28, 2015, 10:15:36 pm by DavidB. »

So it's basically a mix of LA views on fiscal issues, DPP views on immigration/EU issues and mainstream Danish conservative views on social issues... Seems exactly like the new Dutch VNL party. That will be quite an electoral niche, especially since Liberal Alliance has recently shifted toward more eurosceptical and immigration-critical positions. If successful, this new party might, indeed, hurt the Conservatives, Liberal Alliance, and possibly Venstre more than DPP, it seems to me. But are they actually to the "right" (odd word in this context, but you know what I mean) of DPP on the EU and immigration? Does DPP officially want to leave the EU?
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« Reply #690 on: September 29, 2015, 08:51:31 am »
« Edited: September 29, 2015, 10:51:42 am by politicus »

So it's basically a mix of LA views on fiscal issues, DPP views on immigration/EU issues and mainstream Danish conservative views on social issues... Seems exactly like the new Dutch VNL party. That will be quite an electoral niche, especially since Liberal Alliance has recently shifted toward more eurosceptical and immigration-critical positions. If successful, this new party might, indeed, hurt the Conservatives, Liberal Alliance, and possibly Venstre more than DPP, it seems to me. But are they actually to the "right" (odd word in this context, but you know what I mean) of DPP on the EU and immigration? Does DPP officially want to leave the EU?

I am not convinced it is a small niche. About 12-15% of the population are right wing on everything IMO. A big part of DPP belongs in this segment, but vote for them for lack of alternatives. I wouldn't  be surprised if DPP right wingers (like the Krarup clan - the rev. Søren Krarup and his four daughters + his cousins son Christian Langballe and their Tidehverv movement - search the forum if you don't know them - I have written about them before) and possibly also MEP Morten Messerschmidt (though he has moved a bit left on economics and is likely too fond of being in office) starts jumping ship if this becomes successful.

Denmark also has an influential group of National Conservative and self described "National Liberal" intellectuals (Kasper Støvring, Torben Mark Petersen, Michael Böss, Jesper M. Rosenløv and Søren Hviid Pedersen - with the University of Southern Denmark in Odense as a "stronghold" for the right - relatively speaking, still leftist dominance of course) and professional debaters/bloggers/writers like Michael Jalving, the Selsings (Rune and Eva Agnete), Sørine Godtfredsen + psychiatrist Henrik Day Poulsen whose views align much more closely with this project than LA and DPP. If some of the top names from this group joins them it could make a big difference. Jalving is the guy the NatCons are really hoping would lead them, but he seems uninterested in electoral politics. We are talking about a dozen people who either writes for Berlingske and JP (which Uhrskov Jensen also does btw) or are "public intellectuals". In the Krarup-clan I would also consider the leader of Trykkefrihedsselskabet Katrine Winkel Holm and her sisters Agnete Raahauge, both theologians, as public intellectuals. Their sister Marie Krarup would be the most likely DPP MP to join We Cons.

DPP are against EU, but pro the inner market. They are against Schengen and everything that puts EU law above the Danish Constitution. So exactly the same as We Conservatives, as I interpret it.

DPP has moved away from wanting to sort immigrants according to religion (which has alienated the hardcore Islamophobes). Thulesen Dahl has stated that "there is freedom of religion and adherence to Western values is more important than faith or country of origin". Both parties seems prepared to challenge the refugee convention and only allow quota refugees. We Conservatives are a bit more pro-importing experts, but DPP is lenient on this as well. I think We Cons. will in realty be slightly to the right, since they are seemingly prepared to sort based on country of origin and say so out loud - most DPPs would prefer the same, but the leadership has forbidden candidates to actually say this as part of their mainstreaming process.

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« Reply #691 on: September 29, 2015, 10:40:28 am »

I'm going to disagree with Politicus, yes this party may have 12-15% who would think about voting for them, but the problem are that several other parties fill that niche (in fact those 12-15 can vote for every other right wing party). In my eyes this is in best case just the Liberal Alliance with a little more xenophobia mixed in or Conservatives with a anti-EU attitude, in the worst case this are just DPPs who think that DPP is too uncultivated, proletarian and statists. They simply lack a empty niche, this is not Alternative which delivered something radical new, it's not the Red Greens which united a whole bunch of minor parties, who together had a viable niche, this is a party deciding that there's room between DPP, C and LA to a new party, there's barely room to Conservatives there and suddenly this new party should feel a need in this crowded arena? Of course if it's lucky it can make it above the threshold, but unless Conservatives are killed off, this party may simply be the conservative version of Common Course, Left Socialist and all the other left wing parties who enjoyed a short success in the 70-80ties.

As for some kind of Unity List (Red Greens) on the right, I see that as much more viable. But I doubt you can bring the different parties together without them eating each others. The Red Greens is a miracle, which was only possible because the fall of USSR allowed them to purge the pro-Moscow communists.
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« Reply #692 on: September 29, 2015, 11:29:37 am »
« Edited: September 29, 2015, 05:30:20 pm by politicus »

The Conservative People's Party and the Liberals are both pro-EU and in favor of following international refugee conventions to the dot, so they aren't really satisfactory for (at least the core of) this segment.

LA is "open borders, closed coffers" on immigration, which is a far cry from the "only-Westernes with very few exceptions" message of WeCons. On EU LA only states that the "EU should only focus on the Inner Market", but are not really prepared to take the consequences of this and they lack the principled "nothing above the Constitution" approach. They are also Liberal (duh..) on civil rights issues, which limits their ability to be "tough as nails" on crime. LA recently supported giving citizenship to people convicted of misdemeanors and small felonies, who had gotten a dispensation by the previous government, a decision the Liberals wanted to reverse. WeCons seems to be willing to be very restrictive on citizenship - which is a big deal for this segment. Zero tolerance on giving citizenship to anyone who has ever broken Danish law + not giving it to people with a non-Western background, who aren't married to Danes, would appeal to many. LA is 100% economically focused on this and deride the ethno-natioalist/cultural cohesion dimension. It is after all a party founded by people from Radikale with an influx of primarily Liberals. Even if they get votes from ex-Conservaties it isn't a Conservative or Nationalist party.

LA also wants to abolish the Danish opt-out on defence, which contradicts with the NATO-only sentiment of the hard right.

I am not saying WeCons can manage to mobilize this segment, but there is an opening. The Conservative People's Party is the most redundant party in Danish politics and DPP and LA have voter segments that disagree with them on a range of central issues.
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« Reply #693 on: September 29, 2015, 11:35:42 am »
« Edited: September 29, 2015, 11:39:56 am by DavidB. »

If Lars Seier Christensen will be financing the new "We Conservatives" party, will he/Saxo Bank then quit bankrolling Liberal Alliance? That might be a big deal for LA (well, figuratively...). Or have they become independent of his "help" recently?
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« Reply #694 on: September 29, 2015, 12:20:26 pm »

There is also the culture thing, which I think I understand better than you because I come from an old Conservative family, while you likely come from a Social Democratic background. There are people, who basically agree with the entire economic policy of LA, but would never vote for a party founded by members of Radikale Venstre. Radikale is seen as the party of traitors, the party inspired by Viggo "what good will it do" Hørup, the party that was the driving force behind disarming Denmark in the 30s, that cost us Southern Sleswick both in 1920 and 1945/46, the party behind cultural radicalism, which opposed NATO for decades and (important for some) the party behind the 1983 refugee law and a lax and permissive attitude towards Islam.

I remember the contempt with which my grandfather (the son of two resistance fighters) always talked about them as "the party that has a picture of Eric Scavenius hanging in their main office" (Danish Foreign Minister during WW1 and PM 1942-43 and a strong defender of cooperation with the German occupiers - the scion of a noble landed gentry family, so also a class traitor). In some families having ever been member of Radikale is seen as sign of a flawed character, a moral blemish which can never be eradicated. It is okay to have been a Socialist in your youth because "we all get wiser as we age and youthful idealism is part of life", but given that Radikale comes from the same class background (more or less) as Conservatives this takes on an bourgeois internecine war dimension.

You SDs can be annoyed at the arrogance and self righteousness of Radikale, but you do not despise them as the arch-Conservatives do. My grandparents (and my mother) were/are in many ways on the left of the Conservatives and I have drifted leftwards for most of my adult life on most issues, but I still feel I understand these people. And to this day I personally basically think of Radikale as "the party of traitors", it is a deeply rooted sentiment. Liberal Alliance is often derided as "Radikale Højre", the right wing of Radikale Venstre. WeCons would obviously be completely free of this stigma in these circles - it is founded by "their own ilk".

While this feeling is much less prevalent among young people it still matters to enough people to make a difference. Some vote for DPP and Cons despite agreeing a lot more with LA on economic matters and welfare.
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« Reply #695 on: September 29, 2015, 01:30:00 pm »

It's not because I don't think exist, the problem is that the group, while strongly represented in the intellectual milieu, are not very well represented in the population as a whole. The bulk of conservative voters was always craftmen, lower civil servants and the petite bourgeois, but these group have to large extent left the Conservatives and the Whiskey Belt conservatives, which Peter Seier belong to have a large part of the fault, it's no accident that the most successful conservative in the 20th century came from a rural market town rather than from north of Copenhagen. So yes there's a potential group of voters for this party, but I think it's just much smaller than you think, I don't think the potential conservative voters in Elsinore, Frederiksberg and Odense want this party, they want what Schlüter gave them, a pragmatic people's party, not a elitary and "cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes" version of DPP. This party may may sell well in the Whiskey Belt and north Jutland, but outside those areas, I think the base are rather limited.

Also you're correct I come from a generational long Social Democratic background, but it's not traditional as it's rural rather than urban on my father's side (and to some extent adopted out of spite) and on my mother's side it's unusual because my grandmother was the daugther of a factory owner. So I have a lot of family who voted and still vote Conservative and Liberal, of course they didn't belong to Copenhagen conservative, but to market town conservatives, who's a lot less low taxes and free market than their counterparts in Copenhagen. 
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« Reply #696 on: September 29, 2015, 05:15:10 pm »

If Lars Seier Christensen will be financing the new "We Conservatives" party, will he/Saxo Bank then quit bankrolling Liberal Alliance? That might be a big deal for LA (well, figuratively...). Or have they become independent of his "help" recently?

Yes he has pulled the plug and said they are strong enough to be on their own now. He won't finance WeCons - it is a rival to LA after all (but also a supplement, so he won't mind them). What I imagine is that Peter Seier Christensen has access to his network. Lars Seier Christensen started out in Conservative Youth Copenhagen (at time known to house quite a few anarchy-capitalists, but also people from the old upper class) long before he became a stockbroker and he has lots of wealthy Conservative businessmen, stockbrokers and investment bankers in his network. No matter what your personal net worth is you are not quite an ordinary citizen if your brother is a dollar billionaire and you have a good relationship with him.
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« Reply #697 on: September 29, 2015, 08:55:02 pm »

The Danish Minister of Defence has Carl Holst has resigned (for the reasons Diouf has mentioned earlier in thread). His replacement will be presented to the Queen in about 7 hours.
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« Reply #698 on: September 30, 2015, 05:05:27 am »

The Danish Minister of Defence has Carl Holst has resigned (for the reasons Diouf has mentioned earlier in thread). His replacement will be presented to the Queen in about 7 hours.
Peter Christensen will be the new minister of Defence. PC, as he is called, failed to get elected to parlament in june, but is now making a comeback.
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« Reply #699 on: September 30, 2015, 05:08:14 am »

Former Minister of Taxes and Political Spokesman Peter Christensen (40), who didn't get reelected to the Folketing earlier this year, is new Minister of Defence after Holst. An unexpected comeback for Christensen, who had claimed he was done with politics. He is from the same region, Southern Jutland (= Northern Sleswick), as Holst, which may have played a role.
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