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tpfkaw
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« on: March 22, 2012, 11:14:10 AM »
« edited: March 22, 2012, 06:35:12 PM by I cannot imagine power as a thing negative and not positive. »

Of course, we have to determine the semantics of the term "Holocaust," which could be as narrow as "Jews killed by Nazi Germany in the concentration camp system" (~3 million, I believe), to as wide as "civilians and POWs killed by Nazi Germany and its European allies during WWII" (~30 million).

Anyways, the reason why Jews get special consideration is first of all because groups like Roma and homosexuals are still societal outcasts, who are (or at least were for a very long time) still looked down upon by most people.  The other factor is that there was no extermination campaign quite as thorough as that waged on the Jews waged on any other ethnic group; there is still a substantial population of Roma in Europe, the small number of "homosexuals" executed or mistreated were mainly political opponents smeared as such, while claims that there was an extermination campaign against "trade unionists" or "socialists" is laughable - to eliminate communists alone would entail killing a quarter of the German population.  Rather, the Nazis persecuted anyone who openly opposed their regime; communists, socialists, trade unionists, monarchists, conservatives, liberals, clergy, Prussian aristocrats...
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tpfkaw
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 03:48:21 PM »


A pity, as I find it far more lyrical than a word like "holocaust".

If you must have a lyrical word to describe genocide, how about Porajmos?  While it is difficult to be certain, as pre-War estimates of the Roma population are sketchy, the available evidence indicates that as a percentage of their European population, the Roma suffered at least as much as the Jews, and quite possibly more.

At the end of WWII there were fewer than 1000 Jews still living in Poland (and I believe fewer than 20,000 even today).  Today there are over half a million Roma living in Romania (and that's just what's reported on the census; it's probably substanially higher given the stigma/their semi-nomadic lifestyle).  Yours is an absurd claim by any measure, unless you're doing things like including Russian Jews that the Nazis couldn't get to, which is more than a little silly.
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