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Author Topic: Are breed based "dangerous dog laws" EVER a good idea?  (Read 1244 times)
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« on: March 24, 2012, 03:28:04 am »

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Breed-specific legislation is a law or ordinance passed by a legislative body pertaining to a specific breed or breeds of domesticated animals. In practice, it generally refers to laws or ordinances pertaining to a specific dog breed or breeds.

{...}This legislation ranges from outright bans on the possession of these dogs to restrictions and conditions on ownership, and often establishes a legal presumption that these dogs are prima facie legally "dangerous" or "vicious." In response, some state-level governments in the United States have prohibited or restricted the ability of municipal governments within those states to enact breed-specific legislation.

It is now generally settled in case law that jurisdictions in the United States and Canada have the right to enact breed-specific legislation; however, the appropriateness and effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in preventing dog bite fatalities and injuries is disputed.
Seems unfair and racist (in a dog way) to me.  I've known good pit bulls (most of 'em) and scary pit bulls (one of 'em) just like I've known good...say, white people (most of 'em) and scary white people (more than one of 'em).
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 05:15:08 am »

They have some issues.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 05:29:38 am »

It is racist, but it's not a problem since dog races do exist, while human races don't.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 05:36:05 am »

Would "breedist" be better?

(or are you making a subtle comment about it being racist because such laws tend to affect hispanics and blacks more than crackers?)
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 10:19:01 am »

Yeah, it's basically "racist" if that's the term we're using.

We don't have laws that label particular human races as dangerous, because that would cause mass public hysteria, so why have laws that label certain dogs as dangerous?
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 11:52:37 am »

Yeah, it's basically "racist" if that's the term we're using.

We don't have laws that label particular human races as dangerous, because that would cause mass public hysteria, so why have laws that label certain dogs as dangerous?

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Because  there's not such a thing as "human races". That's why.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 01:48:44 pm »

I know little about the subject but my initial impression is dog breeds tend to differ to some extent in temperament and behavior. I reckon the fashion in which a dog is raised and the environment in which it is placed have considerable influence on how each individual tends to interact with human beings but, whereas human "races" are superficial and socially-constructed despite a lack of substantive genetic variation to justify doing so, a lot of dogs have been carefully bred to promote and/or discourage certain, specific physical characteristics and behavioral tendencies that probably warrant at least a wee bit of consideration.

Nonetheless, unless someone here exposes me to compelling arguments for why there should be breed-specific laws, I would much prefer that pertinent regulations be carefully designed to apply universally to all dogs rather than overly-stereotyping or even placing a stigma on certain breeds.
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 02:44:47 pm »

Yeah, it's basically "racist" if that's the term we're using.

We don't have laws that label particular human races as dangerous, because that would cause mass public hysteria, so why have laws that label certain dogs as dangerous?

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Because  there's not such a thing as "human races". That's why.

Shhhh I meant skin colours Tongue I didn't specify Tongue Sorry xP
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2012, 12:11:13 am »

It's incredibly idiotic.  Pit bulls are sweet animals.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2012, 12:15:54 am »

I can't speak for rottweilers as a whole, but I grew up with a rottweiler who was the sweetest, most loving, most joyful dog you could ever hope to meet.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2012, 12:24:42 am »

I don't understand why anyone would want to own a pit bull.

"Woah, look at the jaws on that thing! I bet it could tear the wheels off a car! Oh, it bit a kid, what a surprise!"
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2012, 01:34:55 am »

I can't speak for rottweilers as a whole, but I grew up with a rottweiler who was the sweetest, most loving, most joyful dog you could ever hope to meet.

Aye, I recall a neighbor having a rottweiler before one my moves and she pretty much matched that description! Incidentally, the most aggressive dog I've met happened to be a chihuahua. xD
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2012, 01:42:35 am »

Regardless, even if it is technically more accurate, the term "racist" should never be applied to animals, because it denigrates the term by the implication that any treatment of animals can be equated to the mistreatment of humans through that ideology known as racism. In other words, if you lynch a black guy for being black, it's "racism", no worse than if you shot a black dog for being black. Which is ironic because the consideration of black guys as no better than dogs is a hallmark of racism. The very use of the term in this way, is, ironically, in itself racist.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2012, 02:14:41 am »

Where I come from I think it's a good idea. We have too much black people and rednecks with really aggressive pitbulls that will attack anything they can.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2012, 03:03:43 am »

Regardless, even if it is technically more accurate, the term "racist" should never be applied to animals, because it denigrates the term by the implication that any treatment of animals can be equated to the mistreatment of humans through that ideology known as racism. In other words, if you lynch a black guy for being black, it's "racism", no worse than if you shot a black dog for being black. Which is ironic because the consideration of black guys as no better than dogs is a hallmark of racism. The very use of the term in this way, is, ironically, in itself racist.

     But any person can be a victim of racist crimes, so really it would have to imply that all people are no better than dogs. While a disturbing implication, it is hardly a racist one. Wink
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 03:05:39 am »

I can't speak for rottweilers as a whole, but I grew up with a rottweiler who was the sweetest, most loving, most joyful dog you could ever hope to meet.

Aye, I recall a neighbor having a rottweiler before one my moves and she pretty much matched that description! Incidentally, the most aggressive dog I've met happened to be a chihuahua. xD

See, that's the other thing: My uncle has a chihuahua who does not yap very much. NATURALLY.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2012, 11:43:17 pm »

Doggy genocide.

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2012, 06:11:18 pm »

There are some breeds of dogs that are tamer than others, but as a general rule the various breeds of Canis familiaris are sufficiently similar that laws differentiating between them are generally more trouble than they are worth.  However, laws restricting ownership of wild canine species or hybrids between domesticated dogs and and coyotes, dingos, jackals, and/or wolves definitely are a good idea.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2012, 06:30:55 pm »

No they're never a good idea, it's not the breed that is the problem, it's dog-owners who lack the experience and time tp properly train their dogs. A much better idea would be Dangerous Dog-Owner Laws. (If we can't put them down at least keep them from owning dogs)   
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