If Al Gore had picked Bob Graham in 2000...
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« on: January 12, 2005, 01:13:58 AM »
I'm sure Graham would have helped Gore get 537 more votes in Florida.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2005, 06:15:05 AM »
It is true, there could hardly have been a worse choice than Leiberman.  A pointless DINO who is personally unappealing. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2005, 01:19:27 PM »
No doubting that having Graham on the ticket would have tipped Florida their way.  But personally I would have preferred the other senator, Bill Nelson, on the ticket instead.  Plus, he'd stand in good stead for the 2008 nomination if he was the current VP.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2005, 01:22:26 PM »
Quote from: nclib on January 12, 2005, 01:13:58 AM
I'm sure Graham would have helped Gore get 537 more votes in Florida.

There is no doubt about that. Graham polled very well in his Senate races

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2005, 01:31:22 PM »
Gore would have won, I think. Graham would have won Florida for him, and I don't see any states that Gore won with Lieberman that he would have lost with Graham.

The choice of Lieberman was an attempt to distance himself from the Lewinsky scandal, since Lieberman was the foremost Democratic critic of Clinton's actions in the Senate. I don't think Gore was really helped much in that area, however.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2005, 01:40:31 PM »
Quote from: Senator Nym90 on January 12, 2005, 01:31:22 PM
Gore would have won, I think. Graham would have won Florida for him, and I don't see any states that Gore won with Lieberman that he would have lost with Graham.

The choice of Lieberman was an attempt to distance himself from the Lewinsky scandal, since Lieberman was the foremost Democratic critic of Clinton's actions in the Senate. I don't think Gore was really helped much in that area, however.

That was a dumb move, as anyone who would care about a BJ in the White House is going to vote Republican anyway.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2005, 04:22:25 PM »
Graham would have given Gore Florida by 54-55%. Nelson would have kept it close.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2005, 05:41:30 PM »
You stole my idea! ;-)

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=3428.0

And I voted "Gore/Graham", of course.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 05:44:02 PM »
Quote from: Senator StatesRights on January 12, 2005, 04:22:25 PM
Graham would have given Gore Florida by 54-55%. Nelson would have kept it close.

That would make FL the 2nd most Democratic state in 2000.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 05:49:53 PM »
No it wouldn't have.

Anyway, I'm just glad Al Gore didn't pick Bob Graham.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2005, 05:51:12 PM »

Read what he said. It said, "given Gore Florida by 54-55%" That means Gore wins by over 50% there.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2005, 05:55:59 PM »
Yeah, but Gore won by over 60% in New York and Rhode Island, so how it could possibly be the second most Democratic State?
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2005, 05:59:33 PM »
Quote from: Philip on January 12, 2005, 05:55:59 PM
Yeah, but Gore won by over 60% in New York and Rhode Island, so how it could possibly be the second most Democratic State?

Gore only won NY by 25%.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 06:02:12 PM »
Oh, now I see what you're thinking. I think he means 55% of the vote would have been for Gore.

Anyway, it still wouldn't be the second most Democratic State. It would be the most.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2005, 06:04:04 PM »
Quote from: Philip on January 12, 2005, 06:02:12 PM
Oh, now I see what you're thinking. I think he means 55% of the vote would have been for Gore.

Anyway, it still wouldn't be the second most Democratic State. It would be the most.

I figured that, I'm just in a pointing out typos mood. And DC went for Gore by more than 55%. 89-9.
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2005, 06:05:08 PM »
85-8, sorry.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2005, 06:05:27 PM »
Yes, and so did NYC. Neither one of them is a State.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2005, 06:06:48 PM »
Quote from: Philip on January 12, 2005, 06:05:27 PM
Yes, and so did NYC. Neither one of them is a State.

DC has separate EV's. For purposes of elections, it's a state.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2005, 06:09:37 PM »
It is, for purposes of elections, treated like a State. It is not, for purposes of elections, or purposes of anything else, a State.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2005, 08:54:13 PM »
Quote from: Philip on January 12, 2005, 06:09:37 PM
It is, for purposes of elections, treated like a State. It is not, for purposes of elections, or purposes of anything else, a State.

Um...it is or it isn't treated for purposes of elections like a state?

Anyway, stop splitting hairs.  I think that as DC is worth 3 EVs in the election, which Gore won, then Akno21's point stands.

It doesn't matter anyway, we were talking about Florida.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2005, 08:55:09 PM »
Quote from: Joe Republic on January 12, 2005, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: Philip on January 12, 2005, 06:09:37 PM
It is, for purposes of elections, treated like a State. It is not, for purposes of elections, or purposes of anything else, a State.

Um...it is or it isn't treated for purposes of elections like a state?

Anyway, stop splitting hairs.  I think that as DC is worth 3 EVs in the election, which Gore won, then Akno21's point stands.

It doesn't matter anyway, we were talking about Florida.

I should get the "Goes Off Track" award.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2005, 12:32:50 AM »
Bob Graham is ultra popular in florida. Across the board.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2005, 12:34:23 AM »
Quote from: Senator StatesRights on January 13, 2005, 12:32:50 AM
Bob Graham is ultra popular in florida. Across the board.

Why?
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2005, 12:43:30 AM »

He did well with the Cuban vote when he last ran for re-election in 1998.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2005, 12:45:41 AM »
Okay, but why is he popular (among them or anyone else)? Isn't he just a typical Democrat?
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