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Michael Z
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2004, 02:36:01 PM »

I'm probably being a n00b here, but... what?
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2004, 08:42:40 PM »

Au is the chemical symbol for gold.
H2O is the formula for water.

Therefore, AuH2O=Goldwater.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2004, 04:43:59 AM »
Quote from: dazzleman on April 07, 2004, 08:42:40 PM

Au is the chemical symbol for gold.
H2O is the formula for water.

Therefore, AuH2O=Goldwater.

LOL, that is a good one.
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2004, 08:36:22 AM »
I recall watching the episode of A&E's Biography on Goldwater. One of the more recent clips had him responding to the question of how he would've handled Vietnam and he said "Well, North Vietnam would've been a swamp" My personal favorite Goldwater quote "This is a country where anyone can grow up to be President...except me"
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2004, 11:39:31 AM »
Quote from: JohnFKennedy on April 08, 2004, 04:43:59 AM
Quote from: dazzleman on April 07, 2004, 08:42:40 PM

Au is the chemical symbol for gold.
H2O is the formula for water.

Therefore, AuH2O=Goldwater.

LOL, that is a good one.

Agreed.
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2004, 09:14:17 PM »
In your guts, you know he's nuts.

LBJ all the way. Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2004, 07:37:04 AM »
Goldwater was anti-civil rights.
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2004, 09:48:42 AM »

No, he wasn't.  He opposed the civil rights act of 1964 for reasons that had nothing to do with racism.
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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2004, 02:35:22 PM »
Goldwater wanted the state's to deal with Civil Rights.
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2004, 03:31:34 PM »
Quote from: Boss Tweed on April 12, 2004, 09:48:42 AM

No, he wasn't.  He opposed the civil rights act of 1964 for reasons that had nothing to do with racism.

...but everything to do with winning votes...
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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2004, 03:50:53 PM »
Quote from: Al on April 12, 2004, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Boss Tweed on April 12, 2004, 09:48:42 AM

No, he wasn't.  He opposed the civil rights act of 1964 for reasons that had nothing to do with racism.

...but everything to do with winning votes...

He did kinda base his electoral streategy in winning racist votes, and he did well, he won some southern states.
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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2004, 08:26:26 PM »
Quote from: Al on April 12, 2004, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Boss Tweed on April 12, 2004, 09:48:42 AM

No, he wasn't.  He opposed the civil rights act of 1964 for reasons that had nothing to do with racism.

...but everything to do with winning votes...

Well, if his stand was meant to win votes, it wasn't very successful.

I think Goldwater took a principled, but incorrect, stance on civil rights.  He didn't think civil rights were important enough to justify the breaching of states' rights.

I am not a fan of federal power in general, and I think it has grown out of hand, but I think that the federal government needs to intervene when the basic rights of citizens are clearly being violated, as they were in the south for blacks.
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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2004, 08:28:05 PM »
Quote from: dazzleman on April 12, 2004, 08:26:26 PM

Well, if his stand was meant to win votes, it wasn't very successful.


It was, look at how good he did in soem southern states.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2004, 08:43:51 PM »
...and look at how badly he did in the rest of the country.

If that was his vote-getting strategy, then he was way too dumb to be president.

Of course, LBJ turned out to be awful too in the end, but that's another discussion.  It was a year of bad choices, unfortunately, and we still haven't really recovered from the events of 1964-68.
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2004, 09:01:34 PM »
Quote from: dazzleman on April 12, 2004, 08:43:51 PM
...and look at how badly he did in the rest of the country.

If that was his vote-getting strategy, then he was way too dumb to be president.

Of course, LBJ turned out to be awful too in the end, but that's another discussion.  It was a year of bad choices, unfortunately, and we still haven't really recovered from the events of 1964-68.

But, if he just ran as another non-racist (if you will), why would the people ahve taken him over LBJ?  He would have been swept except for AZ.
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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2004, 04:24:37 AM »
I don't think anybody could have beaten LBJ in 1964.

Also, I don't think Goldwater ran as a racist.  I think there's a difference between being an overt racist, and simply placing a low priority on obtaining equal treatment without regard to race.  Goldwater opposed federal power more than he supported equal rights for blacks, but that doesn't necessarily make him an overt racist.  If by some miracle, the southern states had decided on their own to grant blacks equal rights, he would have supported that.

Racism is a matter of degree, and the racism of the old south became too much for most of the country by 1964.  But that doesn't mean there was a huge groundswell of concern for blacks.  The reaction to school and housing integration attempts in the north over the next few decades should disabused us of that notion.
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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2005, 11:10:22 AM »
Goldwater, suprisingly.  Just because of foreign policy.  He wouldn't been afraid to drop a nuke on North Vietnam.
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2005, 06:53:23 PM »
Goldwater was pro- gun control? Well, that puts a huge dent in my opinion of him.
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2005, 07:12:21 PM »
Quote from: Laissez-faire on July 02, 2005, 06:53:23 PM
Goldwater was pro- gun control? Well, that puts a huge dent in my opinion of him.

Um, he wasn't pro-gun control. Take a look at the title of this article he wrote: Goldwater, Barry. "Why Gun Control Laws Don't Work." Reader's Digest Dec. 1975.

Unfortunately, I couldn't the body of the article. But he was emphatically opposed to gun control.
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2005, 07:55:01 PM »
He was, however, very pro-gay rights.
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« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2005, 08:02:33 PM »
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Quote from: Laissez-faire on July 02, 2005, 06:53:23 PM
Goldwater was pro- gun control? Well, that puts a huge dent in my opinion of him.

Um, he wasn't pro-gun control. Take a look at the title of this article he wrote: Goldwater, Barry. "Why Gun Control Laws Don't Work." Reader's Digest Dec. 1975.

Unfortunately, I couldn't the body of the article. But he was emphatically opposed to gun control.

Okay, I was just working off what BRTD said:

Quote from: setyourselfonfire on March 28, 2004, 12:19:35 AM
He was pro-choice, pro-gay rights and pro-gun control (once made some comment about how anyone who's aim is so bad they need an AK-47 to hunt shouldn't be hunting)
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2024, 06:55:32 PM »
Quote from: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 28, 2004, 12:01:59 AM
I'm asking because this is the most recent election where I would vote for the Republican,
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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2024, 06:57:51 PM »
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Quote from: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 28, 2004, 12:01:59 AM
I'm asking because this is the most recent election where I would vote for the Republican,
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yeah that was dumb especially as I was basically comparing 80s Goldwater to LBJ with full hindsight knowledge of Vietnam, although Vietnam would've likely been even worse under Goldwater.
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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2024, 06:59:38 PM »
Quote from: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on May 20, 2024, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: SWE on May 20, 2024, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 28, 2004, 12:01:59 AM
I'm asking because this is the most recent election where I would vote for the Republican,
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yeah that was dumb especially as I was basically comparing 80s Goldwater to LBJ with full hindsight knowledge of Vietnam, although Vietnam would've likely been even worse under Goldwater.
I was curious as to what the first ever BRTD thread was. I don't know what I was expecting but a Barry Goldwater endorsement really threw me for a loop
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