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« on: April 04, 2012, 09:40:43 am »
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Having just watched Romney's victory speech from last night where he attack the president as out of touch, i'm just wondering who people here think is more out of touch. Mr "I like firing people" or the President?
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 09:43:53 am »
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It depends on which Americans we are discussing...with many Americans they may bbe equally out of touch- I won't pretend Romney can relate to Legionnaires for example more then Obama can
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 09:44:23 am »
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Romney is trying to sell it as Obama has been hanging with stoners, blacks, cokeheads; then socialists, academics, liberal elitists.  more or less the general tool used to get the white working- and parts of the middle-class to vote for their own extermination, and it has worked very well for decades in its various forms, probably because it at least has a shred of legitimacy.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 11:34:33 am »
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Obama is more out of touch.

It only seems the reverse because Obama has strong interpersonal skills.

I think the best one word way to describe Obama is: Aloof.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 11:54:50 am »
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Obama.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2012, 11:55:45 am »
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President Obama.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2012, 01:20:55 pm »
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Obama
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 01:32:46 pm »
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Obama grew up in a lower middle class household, had to pay student loans, worked as a community organizer in impoverished neighborhoods and didn't live a lavish lifestyle until fairly recently. He has a personal understanding of the dilemmas faced by the average American.

Romney? lol
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 02:04:49 pm »
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This is far closer than I expected.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2012, 02:10:25 pm »
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Pretty sure Romney has never taken a $50,000/day vacation, and certainly not at the taxpayer's expense.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2012, 02:15:35 pm »
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Right now, because he's been stuck in a big house for just over 3 years without getting out to the real world much it's Obama. But in general Mitt Romney.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 02:18:29 pm »
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Pretty sure Romney has never taken a $50,000/day vacation, and certainly not at the taxpayer's expense.

Using that logic, any incumbent is "out of touch". This country would be run pretty poorly if we always had to change guys every four years....and I am sure Romney has taken more than a $50,000 a day vacation. Much of it earned on public subsidies and tax credits.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2012, 03:56:39 pm »
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Obama.  By all accounts, it should be Romney.  But it isn't.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2012, 03:59:57 pm »
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Obama grew up in a lower middle class household, had to pay student loans, worked as a community organizer in impoverished neighborhoods and didn't live a lavish lifestyle until fairly recently. He has a personal understanding of the dilemmas faced by the average American.

Romney? lol

Obama is more out of touch.

As for growing up, his grandmother was a bank vice president, his stepfather was an oil company executive, his mother had an earned Ph D., his father was a Harvard graduate, and he went to a prestigious private school.  Until I went to college, I knew no one that upper class, in my age group.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2012, 04:34:31 pm »
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to be honest, I think that both are more than they should be, but given a choice between the two? Romney.
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Obama grew up in a lower middle class household, had to pay student loans, worked as a community organizer in impoverished neighborhoods and didn't live a lavish lifestyle until fairly recently. He has a personal understanding of the dilemmas faced by the average American.

Romney? lol

Obama is more out of touch.

As for growing up, his grandmother was a bank vice president, his stepfather was an oil company executive, his mother had an earned Ph D., his father was a Harvard graduate, and he went to a prestigious private school.  Until I went to college, I knew no one that upper class, in my age group.

Yet he still spent time on food stamps and going through many of the same stages of youth discontent as most people. Your point?
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Obama grew up in a lower middle class household, had to pay student loans, worked as a community organizer in impoverished neighborhoods and didn't live a lavish lifestyle until fairly recently. He has a personal understanding of the dilemmas faced by the average American.

Romney? lol

Obama is more out of touch.

As for growing up, his grandmother was a bank vice president, his stepfather was an oil company executive, his mother had an earned Ph D., his father was a Harvard graduate, and he went to a prestigious private school.  Until I went to college, I knew no one that upper class, in my age group.

Yet he still spent time on food stamps and going through many of the same stages of youth discontent as most people. Your point?

His mother, when a student, did.  Very upper class people have their "discontent" period.  Your point?
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2012, 04:53:28 pm »
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Obama understands that the key to a strong economy is a prosperous middle class (though Republicans are always going to obstruct on that objective); Romney, on the other hand, is totally and utterly in thrall to the failed supply-side fantasies of the past 30 years that will only further 'burden' the US with debt, more debt and even more debt, just as it did during the 'Eighties' and 'Noughties'

Obama has failed the middle class.  He doesn't understand that the engine for prosperity is business.  He sees only government as the provider of prosperity. 
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Obama understands that the key to a strong economy is a prosperous middle class (though Republicans are always going to obstruct on that objective); Romney, on the other hand, is totally and utterly in thrall to the failed supply-side fantasies of the past 30 years that will only further 'burden' the US with debt, more debt and even more debt, just as it did during the 'Eighties' and 'Noughties'

Obama has failed the middle class.  He doesn't understand that the engine for prosperity is business.  He sees only government as the provider of prosperity. 

I agree with this - I think Obama's backstory is considerably less mainstream than even Romney's high-flying wealth.  The community organizer / law professor thing isn't nearly as meat and potatoes as being Joe Lunchbox's boss.

I think of my father (high school educated machinist) and I can much more easily seem him having an adult beverage with Romney than with Obama.
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Obama understands that the key to a strong economy is a prosperous middle class (though Republicans are always going to obstruct on that objective); Romney, on the other hand, is totally and utterly in thrall to the failed supply-side fantasies of the past 30 years that will only further 'burden' the US with debt, more debt and even more debt, just as it did during the 'Eighties' and 'Noughties'

Obama has failed the middle class.  He doesn't understand that the engine for prosperity is business.  He sees only government as the provider of prosperity. 

All the 'Crash of 2008' tells me is that there is a need for more proactive government to 1) regulate the excesses of the market and 2) create a more fair society and if President Obama has a vision for government its that of it facilitating 'gradle-to-grave' opportunity Smiley

You'd be hard pushed selling me supply-side given that 1) the US economy, during the presidency of George W Bush, yielded the fewest number of jobs this side of Herbert Hoover and 2) US median incomes declined. Hardly surprising the US economy hit the crappers to the extent that it did given the extent to which a nation's wealth became increasingly concentrated in the 1%

Obama is just as much of a supply-sider as the worst Republicans.  He just believes in permanent government charity for the "lessers".

I generally vote Republican but I'm quite sick of their apologism for tax cutting for the rich.  I much prefer the people who are focused on reducing spending and structural cost.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 05:06:23 pm »
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Can I say both?
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 05:07:32 pm »
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Can I say both?

That much is pretty obvious - so yes, you can, Captain Obvious.  :-)
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 05:11:29 pm »
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Obama understands that the key to a strong economy is a prosperous middle class (though Republicans are always going to obstruct on that objective); Romney, on the other hand, is totally and utterly in thrall to the failed supply-side fantasies of the past 30 years that will only further 'burden' the US with debt, more debt and even more debt, just as it did during the 'Eighties' and 'Noughties'

Obama has failed the middle class.  He doesn't understand that the engine for prosperity is business.  He sees only government as the provider of prosperity. 

All the 'Crash of 2008' tells me is that there is a need for more proactive government to 1) regulate the excesses of the market and 2) create a more fair society and if President Obama has a vision for government its that of it facilitating 'gradle-to-grave' opportunity Smiley

You'd be hard pushed selling me supply-side given that 1) the US economy, during the presidency of George W Bush, yielded the fewest number of jobs this side of Herbert Hoover and 2) US median incomes declined. Hardly surprising the US economy hit the crappers to the extent that it did given the extent to which a nation's wealth became increasingly concentrated in the 1%
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2012, 05:17:12 pm »
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All the 'Crash of 2008' tells me is that there is a need for more proactive government to 1) regulate the excesses of the market and 2) create a more fair society and if President Obama has a vision for government its that of it facilitating 'gradle-to-grave' opportunity Smiley

#2 sounds more like the failed Callahan government of the late 1970's.  That is a typically Labour approach, which is out of touch with America, obviously.

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Obama understands that the key to a strong economy is a prosperous middle class (though Republicans are always going to obstruct on that objective); Romney, on the other hand, is totally and utterly in thrall to the failed supply-side fantasies of the past 30 years that will only further 'burden' the US with debt, more debt and even more debt, just as it did during the 'Eighties' and 'Noughties'

Obama has failed the middle class.  He doesn't understand that the engine for prosperity is business.  He sees only government as the provider of prosperity. 

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