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« Reply #275 on: October 23, 2012, 09:24:27 PM »

The problem with America is most people are running on the tread mill and doing okay.  So they vote like they are doing okay.  Well when the lay off happens and you have a wife and kid that few hundred dollars a month you saved up goes bye bye real quick.

What happens if you get pulled over by the cops after having three beers at the bar on the way home for work.  Well you could be in financial hurt real quick.  What happens if an illegal alien with no insurance because you live in a Nazi state hits you?  Well your insurance will cover it but guess what?  Your insurance rates will go into the stratosphere.  If you have a a legal, medical, or career emergency you could be living in your parents basement or worse under a bridge real quick.  What keeps America going is the illusion of security.  The reality is most of us are dancing on the knife's edge and don't even realize it.
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« Reply #276 on: October 24, 2012, 05:28:20 PM »

Okay, rant time (you've all been warned):

Seroiusly GOPher candidates, what in the blue hell is up with you guys lately?  I mean yeah I know, you got to play up the culture war bullshit for the proles and all but I mean really?  This?  Talking about women getting raped so lightheartedly and acting all natural about it?  I mean really?

Really?

I'm kind of wondering what is up with all these crazies lately, man.  I mean, I thought the Tea Party was about bringing sanity back to government and all, not bringing insanity UNTO government.  I mean, is there some really sick disturbing joke going on in the Grand Old Party that I'm not aware of?  Like this is some huge experiment being conducted by party heads to see how much insanity the base can handle?  Is this some disgusting display to show that by running candidates who say extremely stupid shit about women who get raped while supporting fiscal conservatism (very funny guys) how the fiscal cons will just keep swallowing the yucky shit these morons are shoveling down their throats?

I mean wow, I truly am entertained.  I must say that the performances pulled out by the dozens (just a guess here, I lost count after the second yahoo, whoever that was, said some stupid shit) of Republican lawmakers, or people who want to be lawmakers, this election cycle is truly Academy Award worthy.  No screw that, this is fucking Oscar bait baby!  And me, I'm just proud, so damn proud that we finally have politicians out there who so willingly give the American people the politics they deserve.  That is, of course, useless, idiotic, monotonous pure grade A fucking bullshit.

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« Reply #277 on: October 25, 2012, 03:30:42 PM »

CountryRoads, the issue I think is that the "no abortion for rape" position is being defended horribly. If a politician says something like "it is still a human and has a right to life" it is much more tenable than when they try to hold to their position while dancing around it. It seems that is where Akinesque scenarios come about

     The issue is that there is this attitude in politics that your position does not have to be only tenable, but objectively and self-evidently correct in every possible sense. This leads to a lot of willful ignorance and a general unwillingness to have mature discussion of the issues. After all, admitting that the opposition might have a defensible point of view is just being a weak-kneed flip-flopper.
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« Reply #278 on: October 25, 2012, 04:54:41 PM »

Looking at the polls from Ohio and Virginia the past couple days, I don't think anyone has to worry about what to do if Romney wins.
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« Reply #279 on: October 26, 2012, 12:17:45 PM »

It's because Berkeley is corrupt and unlikable, which makes me like her more to be honest.

Women need to play by the same rules as men so it's just refreshing is all.
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« Reply #280 on: October 26, 2012, 01:07:24 PM »

Glad I'm not the only one that loves super corrupt and "unlikeable" Democrats. They're some of my favorite politicians!
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« Reply #281 on: October 26, 2012, 01:28:56 PM »

Glad I'm not the only one that loves super corrupt and "unlikeable" Democrats. They're some of my favorite politicians!

I love them.  Though that wasn't the only reason that was a good post - to me it was the most muscular kind of feminism - when a woman can embrace being a powerful villain
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« Reply #282 on: October 26, 2012, 01:30:47 PM »

Glad I'm not the only one that loves super corrupt and "unlikeable" Democrats. They're some of my favorite politicians!

I love them.  Though that wasn't the only reason that was a good post - to me it was the most muscular kind of feminism - when a woman can embrace being a powerful villain

I just learned that my 'step-grandfather' was on trial for criminal conspiracy re: the Garment Workers union in the early 80s.
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« Reply #283 on: October 26, 2012, 01:34:47 PM »

I love them.  Though that wasn't the only reason that was a good post - to me it was the most muscular kind of feminism - when a woman can embrace being a powerful villain

I just learned that my 'step-grandfather' was on trial for criminal conspiracy re: the Garment Workers union in the early 80s.

That's fantastic!  I have two close friends with familial connections to two different ancient but not entirely defunct mobs, and my own father was thought to be a designate of another (though he wasn't at all, just a man who knew and even met with their representatives, and the fact that they refrained from crushing him gave him cachet).
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« Reply #284 on: October 26, 2012, 04:55:43 PM »

I definitely want a take no prisoners villainess in the Senate.
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« Reply #285 on: October 27, 2012, 12:57:00 AM »

My great-(great?)-grandfather was a bookie, the mayor of Port Melbourne, and owned over a quarter of the pubs in the area.

All unrelated and entirely above-board, of course.
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« Reply #286 on: October 27, 2012, 01:21:27 AM »

My great-(great?)-grandfather was a bookie, the mayor of Port Melbourne, and owned over a quarter of the pubs in the area.

All unrelated and entirely above-board, of course.

And a good pub it is, too. We need to catch up soon. I have stuff on the weekend after next, but we need to have you over.
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« Reply #287 on: October 27, 2012, 04:15:55 AM »

Speaking of villainy, my great great great granddad was a cattle thief in Ireland, who at one point decided to branch out into horses, so took them from the local British cavalry regiment. Predictably they came down on him like a ton of bricks, so he had to flee to the west of Scotland and change his name.
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« Reply #288 on: October 27, 2012, 05:10:43 AM »

Speaking of villainy, my great great great granddad was a cattle thief in Ireland, who at one point decided to branch out into horses, so took them from the local British cavalry regiment. Predictably they came down on him like a ton of bricks, so he had to flee to the west of Scotland and change his name.
I fail to see any villainy. Unless you're referring to the availability of a "local" British cavalry regiment in Ireland.
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« Reply #289 on: October 27, 2012, 07:41:57 AM »

Look, the ad is disgusting because of the way it objectifies women as innately sexual creatures.  For the "party of women", the party that supposedly sees women more than pump and dump, the ad shows how low democrats will go to get votes.  I can't imagine that any of the feminist pioneers are happy about any of this.
You really don't understand what feminism is do you? Its about empowerment. The whole part of you missing the joke aside, the idea that yes women would like to have sex and enjoy is a thing. People that support women's rights also support the rights of women to be ok with being sexual. Even in innuendos. If she was dancing around in a bikini, that would be objectification. This, is a woman being a woman. Deal with it and welcome to the 21st century.

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I don't think you know many young people. I've never run into a person between the ages of 18 and 30 (aka, those hipster kids these days) who demands to be serviced by the government. I've met some who are pissed that their degrees are worthless thanks to the economy tanking 4 years ago. I've met some who are pissed that they're being forced to play by a different set of rules than those who already made it. And I've met some who are happy to run off to wall street, to live in a bubble far from the difficult things in the world like working hard, where they get to drink those martinis, live a perpetual nightlife, and do all those horrible things that you seem to hate, all after declaring their unyielding fealty to the GOP.

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Ah, you confuse cultural trends to being in a ideological cult. In the 80s you'd of been complaining about those punks with their neon hair. In the 60s, those hippies and their bellbottoms. Maybe you just hate young people? (which is even funnier if you're younger than me) Did a wild pack of young people kill your entire family or something? Get a life and relax. People grow up and get off your lawn and get their own. And then new young folks show up with new trends that you hate. That's life.
Wrong - feminism in part sprang up because women were being objectified as sexual objects.  Up until the movement, it's been a common belief throughout most of history that women were cheaters and desperately wanted sex and that's why they needed to be controlled.  The moment they saw another man, they would throw themselves at them...etc.  Have you ever heard the phrase "She wanted it" in defense of a sexual harrassment claim.  The feminism movement was about breaking that stereotype by being successful, career driven, individuals who take strength in their innate abilities, not their gender role.  Lena Dunham is an idiot being an idiot, not a modern female pioneer of the 21st century.

Wrong again, I am 28 and actually I do know plenty of young people demanding to be serviced by the government, from healthcare to a living wage to everything in between.  One such example, a person on unemployment I knew said that he took two months off for himself while collecting because he deserved it.  Also, I would ask what those degrees are prior to making judments about their worth.  Not all degrees are created equally - Medieval Studies as opposed to an engineering degree.  Those individuals are not being forced to play by "a different set of rules" than those who made it.  They need to do their time and stop demanding instant gratification.  It didn't come that way for most wealthy people (other than the ones who have wealth by birth).  And about running off to Wall Street, you don't think that having that level of mastery of finance is hard work?  I don't understand it and I'm a pretty intelligent individual.  Most of those people start very low on the totem pole in that world, some never achieve anything through it and lots go belly up.  You seem to take the film version of Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps and all the TV shows to be truth about what it actually is.

I don't hate young people at all, but I dislike the decadence of this generation's youth.  80s youth culture doesn't bother me at all, especially the punk movement.  The punk movement was never about decadence and me, me, me all the time. 
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« Reply #290 on: October 27, 2012, 10:57:26 AM »

I do not need to do this. I am voting for one of His followers and chosen representatives on Earth over the follower of a false prophet and false church and his atheist-worshipping running mate.
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« Reply #291 on: October 27, 2012, 11:00:13 AM »

I do not need to do this. I am voting for one of His followers and chosen representatives on Earth over the follower of a false prophet and false church and his atheist-worshipping running mate.

Hmm.  Are you becoming to BRTD what BRTD once was to opebo?
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« Reply #292 on: October 27, 2012, 11:22:10 AM »

No, I only recognize good posts when I see them.
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« Reply #293 on: October 27, 2012, 06:25:14 PM »


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« Reply #294 on: October 27, 2012, 06:26:35 PM »


Now you are making me feel bad. I did not mean to hurt you that way kind sir. Sorry! We all need as much love as we can get. Sad
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« Reply #295 on: October 27, 2012, 11:10:19 PM »

Wrong - feminism in part sprang up because women were being objectified as sexual objects.  Up until the movement, it's been a common belief throughout most of history that women were cheaters and desperately wanted sex and that's why they needed to be controlled.  The moment they saw another man, they would throw themselves at them...etc.  Have you ever heard the phrase "She wanted it" in defense of a sexual harrassment claim.  The feminism movement was about breaking that stereotype by being successful, career driven, individuals who take strength in their innate abilities, not their gender role.  Lena Dunham is an idiot being an idiot, not a modern female pioneer of the 21st century.

The career driven aspects of feminism had nothing to do with sexuality.  You're basically just projecting your beliefs on sex onto feminism. 

The goal of feminism on sexuality is not and never has been to go from being repressed and controlled by men to being repressed and controlled by themselves.  That's a complete nonstarter.  It doesn't matter who is holding the whip if you're still being whipped.

Feminist attacks on porn have always been that the direction was catered to men.  That's what objectification is and that's what a lot of pornography is.  The woman has to be attractive and has to do a multitude of acts, while the man is some fat faceless schlub who gets to sit there and enjoy it.  When feminism went really hard against porn in the late 70s, it was also true that the men took most of the money from porn operations. 

Repressive anti-sexual virginity mongering towards women (and men) is another form of objectification, BTW.  The same kind of materialism that goes into this puritan parade can be seen (likely in the same people) who are unholy resistant to paying money for a recycled or used product and throw road rage fits if a shopping cart scratches the paint on their new car.
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« Reply #296 on: October 28, 2012, 10:22:04 PM »

Of course libs are still blind to the face Barry Soetoro has been engaging in gutter politics and going negative on Romney for the past 2 months. Witness his petty, slimey performances in the past two debates. But Romney releases 1 ad to straighten the record and libs have a conniption

good luck turning out D+9...haha

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You know Obamacare covers preexisting conditions,  you should get that examined.
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« Reply #297 on: October 29, 2012, 04:21:22 PM »

My take:

1. It used to be understood that Latinos were far poorer than the US average. But there is now a large Latino middle class heavily urban and well-educated, effectively an intelligentsia. It remains able to connect with not-so-rich Latinos, much unlike middle-class white intelligentsia who can't relate effectively to poor whites. (Non-white and non-Christian intelligentsia also contrast in their political influence toward the poor of their own ethnicity and religion to white people). Such makes a huge difference in political realities between white Christians and about every other economic group in voting.

2. Latinos remain majority-Catholic. To be sure the Religious Right has made some headway into the Latino population, but not enough to break the Catholic culture. The Catholic Church is quite rational  -- much more than is so for Protestant Fundamentalists -- on science and history. Poor Catholic Latinos, unlike Protestant Fundamentalists of similar economic achievement, more respect formal education. The difference in valuation of education between Latinos and Anglo whites in the lower strata of economic achievement makes a huge difference in political attitudes. Latinos see formal education and the government necessary for it vital to their dreams; Anglo whites, to the extent that they are Protestant Fundamentalists, see formal education as a threat to their culture as well as part of the 'problem' of Big Government spending.

Poor white Protestant Fundamentalists, who at times have been exemplars of populist tendencies that go far to the Left, are now about as Right-leaning as the Master Class of tycoons, executives, and big landowners who can reach out to such people as they cannot reach out to the middle class.   

4. Although President Obama is clearly non-Hispanic, he is capable of playing to non-white, non-Christian, and non-Anglo populations very well. He has assimilated into the black middle class, but its values are close to those of the Latino middle class. Bingo!         
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« Reply #298 on: October 31, 2012, 12:33:42 AM »

Nothing makes me prouder, this election cycle, than the fact that when it comes to making voting decisions a decent chunk of whites here in Ohio are thinking more about their class than their "culture" or race. If only that would happen more often. Thinking with their heads.
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« Reply #299 on: October 31, 2012, 01:06:03 AM »

Nothing makes me prouder, this election cycle, than the fact that when it comes to making voting decisions a decent chunk of whites here in Ohio are thinking more about their class than their "culture" or race. If only that would happen more often. Thinking with their heads.

See, I think this is total junk. Why would we want people to vote based on "class" or "culture?" Wouldn't it be nice if people voted based on, you know, policies?
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