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« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2012, 11:22:32 PM »

Any of the conservative Catholics who get so sincere and devoted to life over the issue of contraception care to take this opportunity for ideological consistency? Doubt it.
The Roman Catholic church is extremely anti-capital punishment.

Yes, and they are also against birth control as well -and how many Catholics in the United States listens to the Vatican on that score?
The hierarchy at least is consistent.  The Archbishop of Galveston-Houston has conducted vigils outside abortion providers and the TDCJ prison in Huntsville where Texas does its executions.
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« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2012, 07:30:23 PM »

The chances that CA voters repeal the death penalty are not too bad actually.

The ballot language will probably include "and replace it with life imprisonment without the chance of parole".

And the latest Field poll shows:

48% life without parole
40% death penalty

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2393.pdf

And as you can see from the historical poll results, support for life without parole is steadily increasing.

If you think California voters will repeal the death penalty, you're crazy.

^^ This. There is a much greater change of Marijuana being legalized than the death penalty being repealed. And there isn't much chance of either.
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« Reply #77 on: April 09, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »

Here is a good moral argument for why capital punishment should be banned:
If the convict in question harmed me personally by killing a member of my family, I would push that damn button in a heartbeat.  And he should be thanking his lucky stars that I let the law take its course as opposed to taking it in my own hands.

We have passed the point where capital punishment is necessary to protect others from being harmed and is basically an instrument of revenge. I think Frodo captures much of what victims' families feel after such a tragedy and we then kill the murderer not for the public safety but our own thrist for blood. From a moral standpoint, it is not okay to kill the criminal using the law as your instrument just as it is not okay to kill the criminal via a hired hitman.
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« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2012, 09:27:52 PM »

The chances that CA voters repeal the death penalty are not too bad actually.

The ballot language will probably include "and replace it with life imprisonment without the chance of parole".

And the latest Field poll shows:

48% life without parole
40% death penalty

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2393.pdf

And as you can see from the historical poll results, support for life without parole is steadily increasing.

If you think California voters will repeal the death penalty, you're crazy.

^^ This. There is a much greater change of Marijuana being legalized than the death penalty being repealed. And there isn't much chance of either.

I tend to agree it's unlikely any state population would vote to repeal the death penalty outright unless there were some recent scandals (executed innocents, etc) or it was a big financial sinkhole. And isn't the latter the case in California?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/20/local/la-me-adv-death-penalty-costs-20110620

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Given California's budget issues, I think it's very possible voters will repeal it if not just to save money.
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« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2012, 05:18:46 PM »

I think Frodo captures much of what victims' families feel after such a tragedy and we then kill the murderer not for the public safety but our own thrist for blood.

Don't be so quick:

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http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/connecticut-senate-poised-vote-death-penalty-repeal
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« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2012, 04:09:58 AM »

He didn't claim all murder victims' families have such feelings.

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« Reply #81 on: April 12, 2012, 06:26:18 AM »

We have passed the point where capital punishment is necessary to protect others from being harmed and is basically an instrument of revenge.

Exactly, it is essentially a purification ritual.
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« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2012, 12:37:24 AM »

Passed the house: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/recent-legislation-death-penalty-repeal-passes-second-connecticut-house-awaits-governors-signature

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« Reply #83 on: April 13, 2012, 12:53:14 AM »

The thing that pisses me off about this isn't just the hypocrisy in keeping the current death row population (as I noted in another thread) but the fact that doing so will also cost the state millions and it's incredibly unlikely any of the current inmates on death row will actually be executed, since getting an execution in Connecticut was almost impossible even under the old statute (much like California and Pennsylvania, where the only people executed have been "volunteers" who waived all their appeals, and the one person executed in Connecticut under its old statute was the same.) It reminds me of New York spending several million to reinstate the death penalty, which effectively might as well have just been withdrawn in cash and burnt.

But I'd still vote for it if I were in the state legislature.
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2012, 12:55:22 AM »
« Edited: April 13, 2012, 12:57:42 AM by blood red X's for every 24 hours ive suffered through »

And for the record, that's also why I've come to the conclusion that even if I didn't think the death penalty was morally objectionable (which I do), I would still consider it not worth the costs and bureaucracy with the way it's done in most states. Even if I changed my mind on the moral status of the death penalty, I'd still oppose its institution in Minnesota since doing so would accomplish nothing but waste a couple million of state funds.

It's like the old joke about the military recruits complaining about how the mess hall served such awful food, and in such small helpings. Capital punishment is a morally abhorrent practice, and the fact that most states are so incompetent in carrying it out kind of makes the whole thing even more pathetic and worthy of opposition, even if it's preferable to it actually being competent and effectively carried out as in China.
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« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2012, 04:49:10 AM »

NY reinstated the death penalty ?!? Shocked
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2012, 04:52:45 AM »

NY reinstated the death penalty ?!? Shocked

I think Pataki was responsible for that, but I'm not really sure ...
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« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2012, 04:52:58 AM »

NY reinstated the death penalty ?!? Shocked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_New_York

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« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2012, 04:54:52 AM »

Oh well, I thought it was a recent stuff.
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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2012, 07:32:03 AM »

How pathetic.
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« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2012, 07:55:50 AM »


Patatik I would say.
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« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2012, 08:51:25 AM »


Patatik? D:
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« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2012, 09:38:27 AM »

I'm going to repeal my policy to run over all children I see anywhere near the road.  Doesn't matter I've never implemented it, ever, but I'll repeal it.  Will you love me now? 

Seriously, this is just a f[inks]ing show.
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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2012, 12:47:36 PM »

I'm going to repeal my policy to run over all children I see anywhere near the road.  Doesn't matter I've never implemented it, ever, but I'll repeal it.  Will you love me now? 

Seriously, this is just a f[inks]ing show.
Sometimes symbolic acts do matter. I think this is one of them.
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« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2012, 01:02:09 PM »

Seriously, this is just a f[inks]ing show.

A "show" that is going to save a lot of money.

Unused death penalty is pretty expensive. Ironic, but true.
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« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2012, 11:16:07 PM »

I find this graph fascinating

It seems capital punishment was on track to be the minority position, just as a reaction to the sense of unrest during the 60s began to build.  In the 90s, there was a decrease in crime, and that may have dropped support for capital punishment - but a lot more is going on there too.
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« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2012, 08:42:42 AM »

The death penalty is very popular in CT in this quinnipiac poll.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/connecticut/release-detail?ReleaseID=1739
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« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2012, 01:42:50 PM »


And this makes it right how, exactly?
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« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2012, 02:27:30 PM »

Good thing we believe that the value of human life should be determined by the polls.
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« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2012, 02:29:27 PM »

Good thing we believe that the value of human life should be determined by the polls.
Shouldn't values be determined by the markets?
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