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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2012, 12:20:03 am »
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If you were Jewish, attending Yom Kippur services is the one thing you do not skip out on.  Period.  The point I stopped going to Yom Kippur is about the point that I realized I wasn't really Jewish anymore at all.

Well as said, I'd almost certainly have converted to Christianity anyway so that would apply.
You would still be Jewish though. Anyone whose mother is a Jew is a Jew, belief has nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2012, 01:35:18 am »
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Judaism is the one world religion that completely confounds and puzzles me.

Really? It's not the one with the golden plates, seer stones, and proxy baptisms?

And magic underwear! But I'm at least somewhat familiar with Christian ethics because there are a lot of Christians in the world. So American television/movies/literature, even if I don't watch a lot, tend to be infused with that kind of stuff, even if they're otherwise secular. And I don't think say, the moral system of the LDS Church is that far from most other Christian denominations. I don't understand Calvinists though.

If you're Christian, you might have a tough time with that, because Christianity is kind of based on Judaism, with the added confusion of whatever the hell the Trinity is (How can Jesus be his own father? What the hell is the Holy Spirit?). You know what, just read the first half of your holy book if you're Christian. Take it almost literally. You have Orthodox Judaism. Then, do what some of the more moderate Churches do. You have Conservative Judaism. Then, consider what the United Church of Christ has done and add that. You get Reform Judaism. And finally, do what the Unitarians have done to Christianity. You have Reconstructionist Judaism.

I am not a Christian. I have never read the Bible. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of my knowledge about the Bible comes from an almost eponymous-named and dreadful porn I had the misfortune of experiencing during middle school. I really having no idea what you're talking about.

Also, taking it literally? So uh, Christian fundamentalism?

Really? I'd love to try and explain it to you. You're Japanese (right?) and I just wanna flat-out admit that I have basically the same reaction to Buddhism...

Not really. It's complicated. But ultimately irrelevant.

I have a strange relationship with Buddhism. I wouldn't say I understand it. But I've been exposed to it a great deal, at least the East Asian variant. So I couldn't really engage in a theological discussion about it, but I could probably look at Buddhist stuff and go "oh, that makes sense". Which is pretty much the relationship most other people in East Asia have to it. Which is probably the same relationship many Americans, especially the less educated/devout, have with Christianity.
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2012, 07:53:28 am »
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Judaism is the one world religion that completely confounds and puzzles me.

Really? It's not the one with the golden plates, seer stones, and proxy baptisms?

And magic underwear! But I'm at least somewhat familiar with Christian ethics because there are a lot of Christians in the world. So American television/movies/literature, even if I don't watch a lot, tend to be infused with that kind of stuff, even if they're otherwise secular. And I don't think say, the moral system of the LDS Church is that far from most other Christian denominations. I don't understand Calvinists though.

If you're Christian, you might have a tough time with that, because Christianity is kind of based on Judaism, with the added confusion of whatever the hell the Trinity is (How can Jesus be his own father? What the hell is the Holy Spirit?). You know what, just read the first half of your holy book if you're Christian. Take it almost literally. You have Orthodox Judaism. Then, do what some of the more moderate Churches do. You have Conservative Judaism. Then, consider what the United Church of Christ has done and add that. You get Reform Judaism. And finally, do what the Unitarians have done to Christianity. You have Reconstructionist Judaism.

I am not a Christian. I have never read the Bible. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of my knowledge about the Bible comes from an almost eponymous-named and dreadful porn I had the misfortune of experiencing during middle school. I really having no idea what you're talking about.

Also, taking it literally? So uh, Christian fundamentalism?


Really? I'd love to try and explain it to you. You're Japanese (right?) and I just wanna flat-out admit that I have basically the same reaction to Buddhism...

Not really. It's complicated. But ultimately irrelevant.

I have a strange relationship with Buddhism. I wouldn't say I understand it. But I've been exposed to it a great deal, at least the East Asian variant. So I couldn't really engage in a theological discussion about it, but I could probably look at Buddhist stuff and go "oh, that makes sense". Which is pretty much the relationship most other people in East Asia have to it. Which is probably the same relationship many Americans, especially the less educated/devout, have with Christianity.
Ah, sorry, I'm from the US so I'm kind of used to people knowing about Christianity.
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2012, 09:48:02 am »
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If you were Jewish, attending Yom Kippur services is the one thing you do not skip out on.  Period.  The point I stopped going to Yom Kippur is about the point that I realized I wasn't really Jewish anymore at all.

Well as said, I'd almost certainly have converted to Christianity anyway so that would apply.
You would still be Jewish though. Anyone whose mother is a Jew is a Jew, belief has nothing to do with it.

I really dislike "ethnoreligion" and basically refuse to recognize it. Also based on this logic what happens if a girl raised Jewish converts and then gets married and has her own kids that she raises Christian. Are those kids also Jewish even though no one in the family would identify as a Jew?
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2012, 10:35:58 am »
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Dumb question. If I was raised Jewish such a significant amount of my upbringing would be different I would inevitably view the world differently in a number of ways. How would I know how such a me would think?
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2012, 11:42:00 am »
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If you were Jewish, attending Yom Kippur services is the one thing you do not skip out on.  Period.  The point I stopped going to Yom Kippur is about the point that I realized I wasn't really Jewish anymore at all.

Well as said, I'd almost certainly have converted to Christianity anyway so that would apply.
You would still be Jewish though. Anyone whose mother is a Jew is a Jew, belief has nothing to do with it.

I really dislike "ethnoreligion" and basically refuse to recognize it. Also based on this logic what happens if a girl raised Jewish converts and then gets married and has her own kids that she raises Christian. Are those kids also Jewish even though no one in the family would identify as a Jew?

Yes. There are plenty of Jews whose beliefs completly contradict the established beliefs. Some Jews are even atheists.
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2012, 01:04:09 pm »
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For the record, I see a considerable difference between a person having Ashkenazi or Sephardic ethnic descent and being an automatic "Jew."  Though Judaism might consider a person as such, it's absurd to take, say, a Jewish convert to Christianity and claim that he is still a Jew.

EDIT:  And it also raises the question of what happens when that belief collides with Islam's patrilinear belief that the child of a Muslim man is a Muslim.  Child of a Jewish woman and a Muslim man?
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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2012, 08:05:36 pm »
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Yeah I get that such a person would remain still Ashkenazi or Sephardic ethnically, but to still insist on them being still a Jew is kind of absurd. In the example above the children of the hypothetical convert wouldn't know much about Judaism even, and if any are male they might not even be circumcised. They are certainly half-Ashkenazi (most likely if it's in the US as we are assuming) ethnically, but by no useful standard are they "Jews".
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