Derbyshire; Primer on how/why whites should eschew blacks gets ass fired by NRO

[Gustaf]

There must be a competent racist who will make a better attempt to defend Derbyshire's screed that what BSB is doing. Seriously? Your takeaway is that he advises his son to befriend IWSB (or whatever?) Did you miss the part where he says to do it because it inoculates against accusations of racism?

Ok, I'll bite.

The best line of defense one can take is to say that Blacks here is not a racial group (as evidenced by his initial points) but a cultural one. So, the cause of these differences aren't racial but more complex. Social injustice historically can be part of it for example. The legacy of slavery. And so on.

Because crime rates ARE higher among blacks, aren't they? And there is a lot of racial hostility in the US. So, while we all agree that we should, as citizens in the political process, work to remedy historical injustices and promote more racial understanding, as parents we must accept the realities already there. And those include not venturing into areas where there a lots of criminal gangs with a good reason to hate you basedon your skin colour.

That should beat Bob, at least...

[Gustaf]

Derbyshire makes Charles Murray look intellectual... Seriously, guys, you who live on the other side of the Atlantic but still speak English, where do you find such people?

The weird part is not that they can be found, but that someone wants to find them.

[Gustaf]

Derbyshire makes Charles Murray look intellectual... Seriously, guys, you who live on the other side of the Atlantic but still speak English, where do you find such people?

The weird part is not that they can be found, but that someone wants to find them.

Oh, In America, I assumed that they can always be found...

There are plenty of such people in Sweden - I've met many. There is just no one who would ever publish them, which was basically my point.

JJ - I'm not actually defending Derbyshire, of course. I just thought it would be an interesting exercise to see if the defence could be constructed. I think it might be possible as long as not too much context is added.

[Gustaf]

There is, of course, a lot of truth in this article, but I would have presumed that no one would have been crazy enough to actually publish it.

Which I guess means that I am probably one of "those people" that Gustaf mentions.  Fine.  (though the Swedish problem invariably involves North African Muslims, and involves quite different concerns)

As one of the few people on this forum who has spent lots of time, and had many associations, within the black community (as I have within the Hispanic communities - or at I least I suspect I'm one of the few on this forum, since most of this forum's denizens tend to be locked into upper-middle class suburbia in the US), most of the things pointed out in this article are things that you just learn from experience (though he misses the most important one - try to get that one out of me). 

Furthermore, there is some statistical validity to this article, but I have long disagreed with Murray that statistics are correlated to behavior.  And this article is almost uniformly about behaviorial tendencies, which in my experience and study, are much more correlated to culture and cultural norms, above all else.  So it is fundamentally incorrect in my view to state that this is statistical common sense (after all, I have always been a follower of Kirkegaard)

It is plainly apparent that there is a huge difference between American slave black culture (the dominant black culture in the US), West Indian black culture and West African black culture (for example).  What the author writes here are attributes almost uniformly associated with American (formerly) slave blacks and their culture, and its self-destructive and violent tendencies.  I could really give a whole long essay on this subject - as it is woefully undeveloped, and has a lot more validity that statistical analysis, as in there are actual solutions to the problem.

To conclude this post, I will mention that one point that I disagree with wholeheartedly in the article, btw, the idea that having black friends innoculates you from charges of racism.  That's hogwash - never works.

Yeah, the people I've come across who would argue in ways similar to Derbyshire would not be talking about Blacks.

It's not true that it would be about North African Muslims either though. Unless you include Somalis in that group, we hardly have any (unlike France). The typical, derogatory shorthand for Muslim immigrants is Turks (among geographical or national ones - there are of course properly racial slurs as well).

Large immigrant groups in Sweden with high crime rates and/or unemployment rates are Turks, Kurds, Iraqis, Serbs, Somalis and Chileans. And Finns, of course.

The poor Somalis are hated by everyone though, even all those other immigrant groups.