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Ben Kenobi
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« on: April 10, 2012, 03:04:18 PM »

Screw you Mittbots.

I am now I-TX. Die in a fire.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 03:45:48 PM »

Senator North Carolina Yankee.

"Vote for the Whigs, slavery if necessary, but not necessarily slavery".

The GOP is doomed.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 03:58:16 PM »

Vote Mitt, tomorrow's another policy!
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 04:29:09 PM »

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It wasn't until 1913 that the Democrats successfully nominated another candidate who won 2 elections in a row, plus it triggered a civil war.

Frankly, that's the mood of the south here. The south does not want gay marriage, abortion, unions or the other northern crap, and they willl not vote for a candidate on the record of supporting such.

Romney pushed for gay marriage in MA, pushed for public funded abortion in MA, pushed to force MA to pay for health care coverage. Now you may believe in all those things, but there is already a party that believes in those things and it's called the democrat party.

Just like the Whigs, where a fault line has erupted, the Northern Republican party insists on gay marriage, publicly funded abortion, and health care coverage, and they don't care about destroying the republican party to get it.

Now, you've got it but at the cost of alienating the south. Your strategy is doomed. 100 percent doomed. The south is your last bastion - you cannot win the north.

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What makes you think that the north would win this time? Texas alone could take the rest of you on.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 04:43:46 PM »

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And what have you won?

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I suspect the Yankees said the same back in 1865. Wasn't true then, wasn't true now. There will always be folks willing to stand in defense of liberty and fight for what the country stood for.

Yes, you have 'won' but I suspect you won't like what you've 'won'.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 04:45:07 PM »

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50-0? That would be something!
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 05:24:06 PM »

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Again, I ask you, what have you won?

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First of all, 50 percent of people are prolife. Having two pro abortion candidates divides 25 percent of the pro abortion support between them, and that's if you're lucky. The reality is that 99 percent of the pro abortion support is already in Obama's camp.  

What world do you live in where adopting democrat positions delivers increased GOP support? That's not happening with Mitt. We aren't seeing the North sweep over with a realigning tide. No, quite the opposite.

We see Obama getting even stronger, and I already explained why that was. Given the choice between socialism light and real socialism, people go for the real thing, every time.

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Unfortunately, the 14th (privileges and immunities clause) states clearly that citizenship issues are a part of the enumerated federal government powers. A state can't treat the unborn as a person for the purposes of the state - this is also why Dred Scott got crushed.

You no longer have that path, and haven't had that path since the civil war, since that's what happened the last time states got to decide who were citizens and who were not.

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But it's not their call. Reynolds preserves that with the immigration restrictions granted under the Articles of Confederation. The federal government has the power to preserve marriage laws and regulations throughout the US, and as Reynolds says, it has the power to preserve the common law definition of marriage as one man and one woman.

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I'm not sure why you recognise that your policies are flawed. They will not work. Gay marriage in one part of the country will result in gay marriage being imposed on the entire country. That is what happened in Canada, and that is how it will happen in the US, and why your policy will trigger secession. Once again.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 05:34:02 PM »

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There's no rational reason for democrat strength in WI, MI, PA, OH, IN, IA and MN.

Give them southern laws and southern policies and you would expect to see them vote the same way as the South. The Midwest is not the coasts.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 06:24:07 PM »

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I would argue that a majority of the population is prolife and that a majority of the population is against gay marriage. Ergo, your argument has no merit here. If say 50 percent of those who were prolife, also supported gay marriage, then we should expect to see the exact same percentage voting for someone who was prolife and rejected gay marriage, as someone who accepted gay marriage and supported abortion. See what I'm saying?

Right now you've got that entire core of the republicans disenfranchised, while you've got Obama defending his core. This isn't a successful strategy, since both Romney and Obama are fighting for the same core.

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I'm willing to moderate on fiscal conservatism, but not on social. Your game.

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On the contrary, if I look at his actions, he is both pro choice and pro gay marriage, and supporting public funded health care. Maybe that seems odd to you, but some of us just want to be left alone, not forced by the government to pay for something that we do not want.

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And you're asking conservatives to buy into the man with no convictions. Can't you see why this is a disaster?
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 06:40:29 PM »

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100 percent capitulation to Obama on social issues is unacceptable. We had a moderate candidate who was acceptable to us. Perry. You folks turned him down. We had another moderate candidate who was acceptable to us. Cain. You folks turned him down.

Now you're demanding that we social conservatives give up everything on the issues we care most about. No sale. I'm tired of 'working with conservatives' who have no desire to work with me.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 06:58:41 PM »

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Hollywood doesn't even represent California let alone the rest of flyover country. If this is your tactic to convince us to vote for Mitt by telling us that we are wrong and we have to sit down, strap in and shut up and vote for Mitt, that ain't happening.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 07:10:57 PM »

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This should warrant an infraction. Maybe you think anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot, but you are very wrong here.

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When put on the ballot in CA, it lost. It has lost every single time the people have been given the option of voting on it.

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And people like you are why we'll be seeing another Obama victory in the fall. Go on, call your base bigots and see if they bother to show up for you on election day.

You've already driven one away from the republican party, and there are plenty more faithful Christians just like me. Smiley

If the Republican party believes that I'm a bigot, then I'll oblige them by not voting for them, and they can pursue the gay marriage vote and fight with Obama over the exact same base. Smiley
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 09:31:17 PM »

We have polls on this very site showing that Cain was leading in Hawaii.

Are you telling me that the Hawaii GOP is dominated by conservative republicans?
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2012, 08:58:05 AM »

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I'd like to see an explanation why you believe society should cater to the recognition of certain forms of abnormal sexuality, and not others.
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Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2012, 12:52:27 PM »

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Abnormal sexuality - sexual conduct that the majority of the population chooses not to engage in. And no, it's 'not in the eye of the beholder'. Why should one form of abnormal sexual conduct be granted recognition?

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Oh really. So 'use a condom every time' is wrong? We tell adults what to do all the time.

What's so special about this abnormal sexual conduct that it needs recognition?

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Ok, that's an interesting position. Why does one deserve recognition while the other does not?

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So you believe that children should not be taught to approve of homosexuality?

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I don't think any form of abnormal sexuality deserves recognition by society.
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