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BigSkyBob
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« on: April 11, 2012, 12:49:36 PM »

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I'd like to see an explanation why you believe society should cater to the recognition of certain forms of abnormal sexuality, and not others.
1. "Abnormal sexuality" is in the eye of the beholder, so no one person--or group, for that matter--should be telling any other adult what to do in the privacy of their own home with another consenting adult.

2. Homosexuality and pedophilia/bestiality are two very different things. A child or an animal cannot properly consent to sexual activity, while a reasonable adult can. 

I'd like to see a response to these ideas.

#2 is an exercise in circular reasoning. If you declared homosexuality an illness rather than a wellness, or as you put it you exclude them from the pool of "reasonable adults," then you could claim that no individual could "properly" consent to homosexual activity, no more than an alcoholic can "properly" consent to having a drink. It would seem that an animal mounting a human being could reasonably construed as a willing participant. Certainly, juvenile male dogs behave in strange ways. If a child of seventeen is considered "reasonable" enough to consent to sex with a child of fifteen, then, you have to explain why he or she isn't "reasonable" enough to consent to sex with an eighteen year-old? We have laws against bestiality, not animal rape. We have law against underage sex because we have made a social decision that children are off limits.  The "consent" of the child is irrelevant.

as to #1, you really have to explain why at eighteen you magically gain the ability to make "reasonable" choices that you lacked at seventeen?
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BigSkyBob
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 01:24:51 PM »

'Sexual orientation' is an absurd term. There is normal sexuality, and abnormal sexuality. Normal "Heterosexual" sexuality is of course the only way to pro-create, virtually all science shows that pro-creation is the only natural point of sexual attraction. This is true whether you choose to pro-create or not. The want and desire to have sex does have a natural purpose. It is not a racial, white and black thing.

The thing you're dismissing is human nature. Humans generally have an instinct to do whatever gives them pleasure, regardless of whether it's "normal" or not.

Human being, like other animals, have a reproduction drive that is larger than a pleasure drive. The "nesting instinct" for instance is not pleasure-oriented. The reproductive drives of males lead them to prefer sex with younger females even though sex with the somewhat older females is apt to be technically better. Their reproductive drive leads them to prefer sex with ovulating women over those that are not, even if they don't see pregnancy as a desirable outcome. The feeling women have that "their biological clock is ticking" is about reproduction, not pleasure.

The reproductive drives of heterosexuals leads them to reproduce in large numbers. The same cannot be said of the reproductive drive of the average homosexual.
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