What parties would you be in other countries?

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Gosh...Why are European right wingers so anti-immigrant!?!!? I mean I only oppose illegal immigration. And I support reasonable quotas (not based on race, but based on country.)

Most Europea countries are ethnically based nation states, so multiculturalism will change the core identity of the nation. If you are a Conservative you are naturally inclined to be against that without (necessarily) being a bigot or a racist. So many Conservative Europeans are anti-immigration. In immigrant countries like the US, immigration does not in the same way challenge the essence of your identity, so its easier for an American to be both Conservative and pro (legal) immigration.

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Even if I dont like their defence policy and find them a little too soft on immigration and crime fighting I would probably just vote green in almost any non-Nordic country, unleess there was a specific reason not to.

Australia: Green
Canada: Green
France: Green
Germany: Green
Netherlands: Hard one. Dem 66 is too far right on the environment and their Greens are too left wing for me. I might actually end up with Labour for lack of choice.
New Zealand: Green
Norway: Senterpartiet
South Africa: Democratic Alliance
Spain: CiU in Catalonia, probably UPD in the rest of Spain, but I might consider some of the other regional parties.
Brazil: Green
Sweden: Centerpartiet
Finland: Swedish Peoples Party (Scandinavian solidarity...)
Scotland: SNP  
Wales: Plaid Cymru
England: Green
Ireland and NI: Sinn Fein
USA: Green

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Finland: Swedish Peoples Party

Why in the world would you ?

Cultural reasons.

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I don't understand the idea of a Turkish party in Germany.  If they love their culture so much then why did they ever leave home?  Same with all ethnic parties.  I'm not trolling, but seriously, how and why are ethnic parties created, and what's the point?

Most of them represent an original culture in their area, that has since come under pressure either from immigrants to the region or a new dominant nation state or both. That is the case with the Welsh, Basques, Gallicians, Scots and the Danish minority in Southern Schleswig etc. Others represent an old minority that has lived in the area for centuries like the Swedish Peoples Party in Finland. There is only 6 % Swedish speakers in Finland today compared to 25% in the mid 1600s when they topped, so it is a culture that needs a political voice to secure recognition and government funding if it is to survive.
The immigrant parties are different, because you could argue, that they should either integrate fully or leave, but that view would be considered xenophobic by many  people (not me).

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Mexico:PAN
Japan:Liberal Democratic
Taiwan:Democratic Progressive
South Korea:Grand National
Greece:Socialist
UK:Labour
Germany:Christian Democrats
Spain:Socialist
France:Socialist
Denmark:Conservative
Australia:Democratic Labor

Why this strange mix of Conservatives and Social Democrats?

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Australia: Green
Canada:
   Alberta: I'm actually a member of the PC's, although that's largely because in my riding the choice is essentially between PC and Wildrose.  Would vote NDP if in Edmonton.
   British Columbia: NDP
   New Brunswick: NDP
   Newfoundland and Labrador: NDP
   Nova Scotia: NDP
   Ontario: NDP
   Prince Edward Island: Liberal
   Quebec: Quebec Solidaire
   Saskatchewan: NDP
Denmark: Socialist People's Party
France: French Communist Party/Left Party
Germany: The Left
Greece: SYRIZA
Ireland: Sinn Fein
Mexico: Party of the Democratic Revolution
Netherlands: Socialist Party
New Zealand: Green Party
Norway: Socialist Left Party
Sweden: Left Party
United Kingdom: Respect Party
United States: Green Party
Vermont: Vermont Progressive Party

Hi Njall, welcome to the forum!
If you are prepared to go as far left as to vote Linke in Germany and Syriza in Greece you would likely vote Red-Green Alliance in Denmark, its a bit less radical than those two.

Anyway, why Liberal in PEI? Dont they have an NDP? What about Manitoba, would you also vote NDP there?

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Australia: Green
Canada:
   Alberta: I'm actually a member of the PC's, although that's largely because in my riding the choice is essentially between PC and Wildrose.  Would vote NDP if in Edmonton.
   British Columbia: NDP
   New Brunswick: NDP
   Newfoundland and Labrador: NDP
   Nova Scotia: NDP
   Ontario: NDP
   Prince Edward Island: Liberal
   Quebec: Quebec Solidaire
   Saskatchewan: NDP
Denmark: Socialist People's Party
France: French Communist Party/Left Party
Germany: The Left
Greece: SYRIZA
Ireland: Sinn Fein
Mexico: Party of the Democratic Revolution
Netherlands: Socialist Party
New Zealand: Green Party
Norway: Socialist Left Party
Sweden: Left Party
United Kingdom: Respect Party
United States: Green Party
Vermont: Vermont Progressive Party

Hi Njall, welcome to the forum!
If you are prepared to go as far left as to vote Linke in Germany and Syriza in Greece you would likely vote Red-Green Alliance in Denmark, its a bit less radical than those two.

Anyway, why Liberal in PEI? Dont they have an NDP? What about Manitoba, would you also vote NDP there?

I definitely understand his choices Politicus: leftist, but preference to the non-autoritarian and transigent ones. So, a hard scene in Germany and a more diverse situation in Denmark. Also, it's pretty clear from this POV, that a existent and trustable centrist or center-left party is preferable to a nonexistent leftist one.
I am more puzzled with the option for the US Greens, under this logic.

Well, thats the second indirect answer from someone else than Njall. It was really just a question/comment to him.

But nevermind: The French Commies are hardly non-authoritarian and Linke have their authoritarians as well. In Germany the Greens would be an obvious option as an "existent and trustable centrist or center-left party" if thats what he is going for.
I am not sure what you mean by a "nonexistent" leftist party. How can those parties be nonexistent?

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Well, your English is pretty crappy, but I doubt that was the problem, more the holes in your line of reasoning.

Neither the German Greens nor the Danish Red-Green Alliance are nonexistent parties, so it didn't make sense in the context. Red-Green Alliance is anti-authoritarian, so its not relevant to dismiss them with some bogus reference to authoritarianism and then mentioning parties with far more authoritarian tendencies like PCF.

Anyway, don't use replies to "subvert" other posters. No reason to be a douchebag.

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Correct me if there's anything here that looks silly. Party's share of vote in most recent election shown and underlined if party is a part of its country's government:

A Just Russia has some decent people, but is also filled with nationalists and authoritarians, not really your kind of leftists.

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You got a strange mix of centrist and right wing parties. What principle are you going by?

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Iceland: Left-Green Movement - 10.9%

Sweden: Centre Party - 6.6%

Regarding Canada: Why is it that you dislike the Dippers?

Iceland has a new Social Liberal and green party called Bright Future which I think would be much closer to your views than their fairly classical left wing Left Greens.

The Swedish Centre Party has turned Libertarian recently, so that's likely a bad match. Your problem in Sweden would be, that there aren't really anything between the Moderates and SAP, since the small centre-right parties are right of the Moderates on most economic and labour market issues.

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QS? LOL, Ok...
 

They seem like a good fit with  his general sympathy with left leaning separatist parties. They are to the right of Galician Left Alternative.

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I'm well aware of the Centre's disastrous libertarian/urban social liberal twist, and I don't really mind it all that much. I don't like the Greens much because of their Eurosceptic positions, and I generally like the current centre-right government (whereas the centre-left opposition seems pretty useless). I would probably vote for the Greens if I started to dislike the centre-right government, but it's all a moot point.

If you like the current Swedish government the logical thing would be to vote for the Moderates, since they are the most, well... moderate (or centrist) party in the government.
My point was that The Centre Party is currently to their right, not just on the urban social liberal stuff, but on economics in general and labour market issues.

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US - Democrat/Republican, im a swing voter.
         LBJ/Nixon/Nixon/Carter/None/Reagan/None/Clinton/Clinton/Gore/None/None/None/Clinton/Clinton
Germany - CDU/AfD
Greece: New Democracy
Italy: Christian democracy pre-1993 and later Lega Nord
Canada: Liberal/Conservative
               Saskatchewan: Saskatchewan Party
               Alberta: Progressive conservative
               British Columbia: BC Liberals
               Quebec: CAQ/ Liberal
               Ontario: Ontario Progressive Conservative
               Manitoba: Liberal Party
New Zealand: National/United Future/ NZ first
Australia: Liberal
France: UMP/FN
Spain: CiU
India: BJP
Japan: Restoration party/ LDP
South Korea: Saenuri
Pakistan: PTI
Israel: Yesh Astid/Jewish Home/Likud
Taiwan: KMT
Thailand: Pheu Thai
South Africa: Democratic Alliance
Brazil: PSDB/PP/DEM/PR/PRB
Denmark: Dansk Folkeparti
Sweden: Sverigedemokraterna
Norway: Fremskrittspartiet
Finland:Perussuomalaiset
UK: UKIP, Tories in Scotland, UUP in NI
Portugal: PSD
Austria: FPO
Switzerland: SVP
Poland: PO
Netherlands: VVD
Belgium: N-VA
Hungary: Fidesz
Colombia: PSUN/CD
Chile: NR
Paraguay: Colorado
Uruguay: Partido Colorado
Philippines: Liberal party
Lativa: National alliance
Estonia: Reform
Lithuania: Homeland Union
Czech republic: Dawn
Cyprus: Democratic Rally
Iceland: Independence Party
Venezuela: National Convergence
Malaysia: Pakatan Rakyat
Singapore: PAP

Why on earth would you pick the BJP?

There are a lot of National Conservatives and right wing populists on that list ( more than the ones I bolded, it was just TOMH), so its logical. Its weirder that he fx chooses such a moderate party as PO in Poland given his choices elsewhere.

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Zimbabwe: MDC. Like Russia though that's hardly a democracy either, though once Mugabe dies it may get interesting.

MDC is split in three parties: MDC-T under Tsvangirai, MDC-N is the old 2005 moderate breakaway now under Welshman Ncube and then there is the "Tsvangirai is too authoritarian and incompetent" breakaway from 2014 the MDC Renewal Team. Currently MDC-N and MDC Renewal Team are negotiating a merger and hope to form an alliance with the other opposition parties such as Dumiso Dabengwa's ZAPU, the Mavambo/Kusile Dawn party led by Simba Makoni and the NGO alliance NCA.

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US: Democrat
UK: Liberal Democrat
 Scotland: SNP
Iceland: SDA
 Reykjavik: Best Party
Canada: Liberal

I'd dunno about the rest.

Doesn't exist anymore - the "serious people" in it went to social liberal Bright Future.

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US: GOP-Tea Party Wing-Liberty Caucus
Indiana: Libertarian
EL Salvador: PCN, PDC or ARENA
Austrialla:Family First or Liberal Democratic
Canada:Christian Heritage or Libertarian
Italy:Future and Freedom or Union of Christian and Center Democrats

You would probably fit in with UKIP in the UK.

Depends on if they're pro-EU or Euroskeptic

Euro-sceptic

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Time to update this:

France: Nouvelle Donne
Italy: Sinistra Ecologia Libertà
Germany: Alliance 90 / Greens
UK: Labour, for lack of an alternative
Spain: Podemos
Sweden: Feminist Initiative
Greece: Syriza
US: Democrats, for lack of an alternative
Canada: NDP
Australia: Greens, I guess
Israel: Meretz

You have given up on all SDs?

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This is going to be a rather boring exercise.

United States: Socialist Alternative
United Kingdom
           England: Socialist Party of England and Wales
           Wales: Socialist Party of England and Wales
           Scotland: Socialist Party Scotland
           Northern Ireland: Socialist Party of Ireland
Canada: Socialist Alternative
           Quebec: Socialist Alternative
Australia: Socialist Party
New Zealand: Socialist Voice
France: Revolutionary Left
Spain: Revolutionary Socialism
Germany: Socialist Alternative
Italy: Countercurrent
Austria: Socialist Left Party
Poland: Socialist Alternative
Czech Republic: Socialist Alternative Future
Slovakia: 99 Percent - Civic Voice
Slovenia: United Left
Romania: Socialist Alternative Party
Denmark: Red-Green Alliance
Norway: Red Party
Sweden: Socialist Justice Party
Finland: Socialist Alternative
Iceland: People's Front of Iceland
Japan: International Solidarity
Taiwan: Committee for a Worker's International (Taiwan)
South Korea: Labor Party
South Africa: Workers and Socialist Party
Israel: Socialist Struggle
Egypt: Revolutionary Socialists
Greece: Xekinima
Turkey: Socialist Alternative
India: New Socialist Alternative
Pakistan: Socialist Movement Pakistan
Mexico: Labor Party
Brazil: Freedom, Socialism, and Revolution
Argentina: Workers' Left Front
Chile: Revolutionary Socialism

Told you so. In any case, although I listed CWI affiliates in Greece and Spain, I would more likely than not vote for Podemos and Syriza, assuming the CWI affiliate in question was not running a candidate in opposition to either organization in the nation in question.

You really do know your obscure left wing parties.. Why go People's Front of Iceland (less than 0.1%) and Social Justice Party in countries that actually have decent left wing parties capable of passing the threshold? Even when you do not like the standard left wing party like Syriza, you go Xekinima and not Antasya (which at least had a theoretical chance).

What is the point of going for ideological purity to such an extreme degree? I get with something like the US Democrats and mainstream SD parties, but you seem hellbent on finding the most obscure sects in countries with PR and actual socialist parties capable of getting into parliament.

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Germany-Die Links
Ireland-Labour

Lol. Why the "Social Liberal wing of FG" in Ireland when you go far left in other countries?

Try this for a decent  Irish centre-left option:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democrats_(Ireland)