SENATE BILL: Access for Afghan Women Act of 2012 (Law'd)
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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2012, 05:10:31 PM »

I don't see how that deals with the issue of setting up a program that does things Afghan leaders may not approve of.

Yeah, sorry about that (it wasn't intentional Yank).  Honestly, there isn't a lot we can do to make the Afghan government support this, other than telling them that if they refuse to implement the programs, they don't get the money.  The benefits are great, but so are the risks.
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2012, 05:20:44 PM »

I don't see how that deals with the issue of setting up a program that does things Afghan leaders may not approve of.

Yeah, sorry about that (it wasn't intentional Yank).  Honestly, there isn't a lot we can do to make the Afghan government support this, other than telling them that if they refuse to implement the programs, they don't get the money.  The benefits are great, but so are the risks.

It was purely strategic. Tongue

Is the language at present satisfactory as to provide that kind of failsafe or is another amendment necessary?
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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2012, 05:21:45 PM »

I would like to the have the FPR in this slot by Monday, people. Just keep that in mind.
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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2012, 04:19:53 AM »
« Edited: April 29, 2012, 04:26:03 AM by President Polnut »

I have some pretty firm concerns about this Bill...

I fully support the aims and the treatment of women and girls in Afghanistan is an issue of international importance.

However, we cannot dictate to them how they run their country. I think this is a strongly aspirational Bill, which does risk overreaching, and therefore undermining its intended purpose.

I think a simpler line of " we are doing x, if you don't meet standards y then you will meet with these consequences z" would do something without that risk...

We need to use leverage, but we cannot dictate, it's a balancing act for sure, but we do need to be realistic.
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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2012, 04:24:53 PM »

Amendment has passed.


Is there anyway the bill could be amended to your satisfaction, Mr. President? Or is a unsalvageable?
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2012, 06:07:08 PM »

Amendment has passed.


Is there anyway the bill could be amended to your satisfaction, Mr. President? Or is a unsalvageable?

I'm not sure, if the Sponsor or other Senators wanted to discuss this with me, maybe we could reach a compromise.
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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2012, 08:29:11 PM »

If I don't here back from such negotiations in 24 hours I am opening a final vote on this.
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« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2012, 04:03:00 PM »

Not sure if this necessary, but I move for a final vote.
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« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2012, 05:57:19 PM »

I just hate it when I accomodate someone and I get sh**t out of it in return. Fool me once, shame on you...

Senators a final vote is now open on this bill, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2012, 06:01:02 PM »

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« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2012, 06:07:52 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2012, 08:37:21 PM »

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« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2012, 08:51:18 PM »

To be honest, I'm inclined to agree with the President's reservations.  I'm worried that it is simply not realistic to expect this bill to have a real impact.  However, you may say I'm a dreamer, therefore: AYE
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« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2012, 09:03:22 PM »

I see some problems with this bill and this may not go anywhere, but I will vote for it. We should fight for the rights of Afghani women even if it is quixotic. I might be in favor of a mass transportation of Afghani women into Atlasia (very hot on average to boot) but that might be a tad unreasonable. Tongue

Anyways, Aye.

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« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2012, 11:37:49 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2012, 11:59:36 PM »

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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2012, 12:28:43 AM »

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« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2012, 12:15:52 PM »

Aye


Nathan and ILV still haven't voted. If they don't by the time I get back from lunch, they won't get the chance. Tongue
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« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2012, 01:21:32 PM »

Vote on Final Passage of the Access for Afghan Women Act of 2012:

Aye (7): Alfred F. Jones, Ben, NC Yankee, Pingvin, Sbane, Scott, and TJ in Cleve
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): Clarence, ILV, and Nathan

With seven votes in the affirmative and none in the negative the bill has passed the Senate and his presented to the President for his likely veto.
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« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2012, 01:23:14 PM »

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« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2012, 06:29:20 PM »



Signing statement:

I consider this Bill 'aspirational' - otherwise I would consider it a practical overreach of our role.
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« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2012, 06:30:49 PM »

Thank you President Polnut.

I am hopeful that this act will provide aid and relief to the women of Afghanistan, and their families.
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