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« on: April 21, 2012, 11:05:46 AM »

It's effectively inevitable(if it ever wasn't) that Global Warming will occur(the failure of Copenhagen proved this beyond doubt... even the most ambitious plans raised at "Hopenhagen" wouldn't have halted GW/CC, and no plan came close to being adopted). The question now apparent is what effect GW/CC will have. This is a political forum so let's consider the politics.

@the denialists... I'd rather this thread not be a debate about science. For the purposes of discussion please assume it's true, or don't post at all.

The first question... how much of a backlash against conservatism/libertarianism/corporatism? No doubt the Left will try to blame the GW/CC on the inaction caused by the C/L/Cs. Somewhat dishonest given that even the most ambitious leftwing plans would not have been sufficient to halt it, especially considering the complete absence of effort by third world countries. But voters tend to be moved by emotion rather then logic... the argument for blaming the right is an emotional one, the argument againsts a logical one, accordingly the former will probably prevail.

More important is the response in terms of policy to the effects of GW/CC/. Among other things,  a global food shortage crisis(agriculture depends on environmental stability). For one thing such a crisis will necessitate a strongly interventionist government(for example ensuring that nobody eats more then their fair share, stabilizing the economy etc)... a victory for the left, albeit a hollow one. '

On the other hand food shortage will mean a zero sum game nationally and globally(typically the province of the right). Very probably it will mean certain demographics being terminated(since theirs not enough food to support them, and they'll revolt if they're merely left to starve rather then being slaughtered)- likely targets are the prison population, unemployed and maybe the retired and ethnic minorities. Additionally it will probably mean imperialism as strong countries move to steal scarce food resources from the weak... once again the province of the right.

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2012, 10:09:42 PM »

I certainly will be very pissed off at denialists and those who believe in it, but want it because they hate the cold. But you're right, only the most ambitious plans can put a dint in global warming, and no one is willing to do that.

The combination of global warming and the impending world economic collapse are going to make the next few decades very, very interesting.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2012, 02:13:00 AM »

I certainly will be very pissed off at denialists and those who believe in it, but want it because they hate the cold. But you're right, only the most ambitious plans can put a dint in global warming, and no one is willing to do that.

The combination of global warming and the impending world economic collapse are going to make the next few decades very, very interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2012, 09:48:29 AM »

Even assuming global warming occurs, is it not possible that this scenario doesn't come to pass? It would seem like in your scenario you are assuming positive feedback loops lead to even greater warming and imbalances than would be possible from burning carbon. As for food shortages, more efficient agriculture and better control of water (dams) will lead to greater food production and things like dams and reservoirs help hedge against a more unstable weather pattern.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 08:47:14 AM »

Even assuming global warming occurs, is it not possible that this scenario doesn't come to pass? It would seem like in your scenario you are assuming positive feedback loops lead to even greater warming and imbalances than would be possible from burning carbon. As for food shortages, more efficient agriculture and better control of water (dams) will lead to greater food production and things like dams and reservoirs help hedge against a more unstable weather pattern.
Rising world population and living standards in former third world countries will increase demand so much, that the things you mention are far from sufficient. Food shortage will occur.
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