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pbrower2a
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« on: April 27, 2012, 10:57:20 PM »

Romney was speaking before a crowd of students at Otterbein University, a private college that costs about $30K/year. Most of the kids in the audience have parents of means.

Obviously there are scholarships and other forms of financial aid for underprivileged students.

Loans are the usual aid now offered, and in view of the rising cost of college education, such means that the one necessity for middle-class life for anyone born after about 1980 (starting a small business in a world largely locked up by the chains and vertically-integrated giants in almost all industries is pointless) unless one calls the skilled trades 'middle class'. There are only so many openings.

Such aid may be coming at too high a price. Maybe we need to reform college education so it isn't so expensive -- but that may be asking for too much.

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The usual hack swipe. This economy needs to rebuild the capital stock that sociopaths wearing three-piece suits bled and wasted -- much of it on luxury imports. I still say that the solution is to create a tax structure that favors small business at the expense of the efficiencies of scale of vertically-integrated firms.   

If there is any fault with President Obama it is that he isn't going far enough and fast enough in promoting an economic order that works for people not already super-rich. But that begs the question of whether the sort of Congress that we now have, shills for economic elites, isn't leading America down a high-speed highway to an economic Hell. 
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2012, 02:49:25 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2012, 03:00:46 PM by pbrower2a »

Romney was speaking before a crowd of students at Otterbein University, a private college that costs about $30K/year. Most of the kids in the audience have parents of means.

No they don't. A lot of the kids are financing their education through loans or are there because they got financial aid. According to CollegeStats, 99% of students at Otterbein University are receiving some form of financial aid, and 71% have taken out student loans.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Let me just stop you there. At any university you go to, almost everyone recieves some sort of"financial aid." And I'll tell you, it's not much of anything. Small automatic entrance scholarships are grades-based and given out all the time, whether you need them or not. It's a cheap way to make the school look generous. Also, student loans aren't this surefire way of deciding who's poor. My parents could probably pay my full way through university if they really wanted to (mind you, it would be tough), but I'm responsible for half of it because that's the way it is. So I have student loans. That doesn't mean my parents would be incapable of lending me $500 if I wanted to start a business (key word here is lending). Hell, the only way they'd be incapable of lending that money would be if I didn't have those student loans.

Student loans are a symbol of convenience, not necessarily poverty. I'd guess there are very few university students from families below the poverty line, for the simple reason that those people hardly even have the means to go.

Okay, but there's a big difference between a family being above the poverty line and a family that can has $10-50,000 sitting around to lend their kid so he can start a business. Just what type of business do you think you can start with $500? And remember that most new businesses fail. Yes, many people who take out student loans are far from poor. However, education is so expensive nowadays that even middle class families often have to take out loans, especially if their homes are underwater or if they've had their savings wiped out by the market over the past few years.

About the only licit business that I can imagine someone now starting on $500 is a food cart or door-to-door selling. A computer-based business? You will need the computer, which isn't cheap. Insurance sales or real estate sales? You had better have a nice car and clothes, and those aren't cheap.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 08:43:55 AM »

This type of debate is actually really irritating me. This is the class warfare we are warned about. Why should anyone have to be defensive about any of this?

People need to know what works and what doesn't. Most business startups fail by one criterion or another -- undercapitalization, some inadequacy of the owners as owner-operators, sub-par earnings, and poor ideas to begin with. Buying out an existing business that someone wants to ditch usually allows one to find out why the business failed to begin with.

...The 'class warfare' that the Right so despises is something that the Corporate Right started -- and won. It decided that pay would be abysmal and that advancement on the job was only for a small, self-selected elite. It decided that it would close out any possible niches of competition. America used to have business opportunities for workers who wanted to leave the proletariat, but those have largely disappeared. Cottage industries have all but vanished.

The working clas must fight back if it is ever to regain any dignity at all.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 12:43:22 AM »

The hackery in this thread is hilarious/ridiculous.

Mitt Romney must not be doing too bad if this is what liberals are whining about.

Being out of touch with reality would seem one of the most blatant signs of ineptitude as an officer-holder. 
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