what if Leftism is just a fantasy?

[Simfan34]

It is.

The great shortcoming of the "revolution", and by that I assume you mean the Marxian one, is that it was conceived as a solution for the particular problems of a particular time, the time being the capitalist age and the problems being the misery of the common man; those problems would continue indefinitely until the people moved to Socialism and eventually Communism. What Marx did not realize, however, was that he was not in the capitalist age, but its prologue, the end of the mercantilist age and the dawn of the capitalist one. Marx assumed that this period would be as far as man would go, but he was wrong. Instead it progressed onward, into the age of what I call "liberal democratic industrial capitalism", or Ldic. in the Ldic era we saw massive and simultaneous increases in both the wealth and political participation of the "proletarian"; this essentially made the Marxian revolution redundant. This period is almost neatly contained in the confines of the 20th century, with its height rather symmetrically around 1950 in the West.

By the time his theories had begun to gain currency, the Ldic age had almost begun in Western nations, which is why you don't see revolutions there. Indeed the revolutions was confined to states that had just begun the mercantilism age- Russia. One can even make the argument the sole revolution began in Russia and communism was spread politically from there. But that is irrelevant- what matters is that society had on its own managed to address the problems Marx identified without revolution. Reldago has said it in far more succinct terms- Marx's ideas have not aged well.

As I said before, the Ldic age is largely coterminous with the 20th century- and so it too is coming to an end. This, after all, is the postindustrial society! I still support industry, but any moves shall be medium term at best- automation shall reduce any labor left. I think we are now entering what could be called the "corporate creative capitalist culture" (let's call this 4C). Here we have and economy in which the innovator, producer, and manager are all being combined into singular role- a good example of this being Instagram. In such a society, the service society, there shall be first no need for a means of production or a person to specifically produce it, and then the "proletarian" shall not even be limited to drudgery but wholly unnecessary. This cannot be sustained, but Marxian revolution shall not answer it.

There is a solution that is beginning to take shape in my mind. It is radical and nothing less than the polar opposite of what we are discussing here.

[Simfan34]

In such a society, the service society, there shall be first no need for a means of production or a person to specifically produce it, and then the "proletarian" shall not even be limited to drudgery but wholly unnecessary. This cannot be sustained, but Marxian revolution shall not answer it.

There is a solution that is beginning to take shape in my mind. It is radical and nothing less than the polar opposite of what we are discussing here.

You have me intrigued. Do tell.

Alas, it is only in its nascent stages.

[Simfan34]

This thread hurts my head. So much misused jargon in so few posts. Urgh.

But, basically, Lewis is right.

You seem to have something against my writing- but again I invented my own jargon. Please correct me. I am begging for it.

[Simfan34]

Oddly enough your writing is not the most painful thing on this page...

Incidentally, if you are capable of adopting such a ludicrous affected style, then you are also capable of learning how to write properly...

That's "ludicrous affected style" to you? Goodness gracious. Excuse me.

dawg, u call that talkin white? dafuq r u smokin booiiii? dont go tellin me how to rite rite. i go talk 2 tweed in da way i wanna talk 2 tweed got that?

but when u have da 4c's rich homebois, da young money, anyway da bois spitting rimes dont get much money. you have mark zukerbuerg and all that kind of s--t. they got all the jobs. they are all the jobs. when life works like that u dont need the homboys, screw hoffa or labor or the congress- they aint what's needed and they become broke mofos. back in the ldic days they wuld be livininthe burbs, in the hood and then in the projects, now they dont got no job and they cant learn no cloud computin or whatever the latest s--t is.

what ya gotta do is keep ldic livin as long as ya can- squeeze da f---n life out of that. ya godda get da factorys, da stil meels, da auto plants back and keep em. da robots will take en later, but keep it while ya can. ya want to get a society where everybody is booghwahsee.  but dats as likely to gonna happen as marxs revolution. thats where my idea comes in. yall are gonna be s--tin ya pants ova it.

yall are free to report dis s--t to the mods, but know that snitchses get stiches. Anyway i hate to carjak a tweed thread gan. peace

[Simfan34]

What?

[Simfan34]

Tweed, I think I asked you this before, but how do you reconcile your revolution/seizing the means of production with the deindustrialization of the First World and the increasing shift to service sector work?  Seizing the means of fast food production?

That's what I've been saying!