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« on: May 20, 2012, 01:33:43 PM »

Obviously most people's first instinct would be to say "Nazi Germany". But the more I think of it, the more accurate this list seems to be:

10. The Ottoman Empire
9. The Spanish Empire
8. The People's Republic of China
7. Confederate States of America
6. Belgium (under Leopold II)
5. Democratic Kampuchea
4. Soviet Union
3. Imperial Japan
2. Nazi Germany
1. The British Empire

The criteria were:

  • Body counts, of course, but not just the numbers. The percentage of a population killed and the reasons for doing so also counted
  • The reasons for founding the particular entity; this probably boosted the CSA, for instance.
  • Wars of aggression, including their scale and motivation.

I'm completely baffled how anyone could say the British Empire was worse than Nazi Germany, especially using the criteria you used. If I were a cynic I would say you just did that to try and get an enraged reaction, because I can't see any other plausible reason.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 06:54:48 AM »

Obviously most people's first instinct would be to say "Nazi Germany". But the more I think of it, the more accurate this list seems to be:

10. The Ottoman Empire
9. The Spanish Empire
8. The People's Republic of China
7. Confederate States of America
6. Belgium (under Leopold II)
5. Democratic Kampuchea
4. Soviet Union
3. Imperial Japan
2. Nazi Germany
1. The British Empire

The criteria were:

  • Body counts, of course, but not just the numbers. The percentage of a population killed and the reasons for doing so also counted
  • The reasons for founding the particular entity; this probably boosted the CSA, for instance.
  • Wars of aggression, including their scale and motivation.

I'm completely baffled how anyone could say the British Empire was worse than Nazi Germany, especially using the criteria you used. If I were a cynic I would say you just did that to try and get an enraged reaction, because I can't see any other plausible reason.

500 years of conquest and slaughter>6 years of conquest and slaughter.

Who invented concentration camps? The British, in their conquest of the Boer states.

The timespan isn't really relevant to how evil something is, although there wasn't an empire in 1460, and no one is denying that the British Empire did some evil things but as others have said the concentration camps in South Africa were not really similar to Auschwitz, and were certainly far less evil.

But actually looking at your criteria:

Body Counts- Well Nazi Germany started World War 2 which killed tens of millions and impoverished many more, while nothing the British Empire did came close.
Motivation- This isn't even worth explaining.
Reasoning- Well the British Empire (I'm not entirely sure, so correct me if I'm wrong) was founded to gain international dominance and to make money, whereas Nazi Germany happened because Hitler wanted a German empire. I'd say this one is less clear cut, as both seem to have happened due to a desire for more power, but then I'd also say that the reason for the founding of a regime aren't particularly important in comparison to the actual actions of said regime.
Wars of Aggression- World War 2. That is all.

Isn't it obvious which regime is worse?
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 08:59:06 AM »

Let me put it this way Snowstalker:

British Empire: Well, there were a couple of British Empires (according to wikipedia) so I'm going to assume that you're talking about the concept of British Empire as a whole going all the way back to 1497 when the Brits first started looking for colonies outside of the Plantations of Ireland or whatever else land the Brits held.
In that case, sure the British were evil, but that is to be expected from an empire that existed for nearly 430 years.

Nazi Germany: Existed for 12 years and was defined by acts of pure evil and the supermajority of it's death counts came in the last SIX YEARS of it's existence.

Not justifying the British Empire or saying I believed it was good, but comparatively speaking Nazi Germany was much eviler in nature.  But, I'm more of the mind of Ernest and others here who put Democratic Kampuchea as the most evil nation on here.  You can't really measure "evil" in body counts, but more in the whole intent and proportionate scale of it.  Before anybody brings up the death count argument, keep in mind that the Khmer Rogue ruled for four years in Cambodia, FOUR F***ING YEARS MAN.  And look at what they accomplished!  Even the goddamn Vietnam government was outraged at Pol Pot enough to invade the country.  Yes, you read that right one evil regime invaded another evil regime to SAVE PEOPLE.

The 1979 Invasion of Cambodia is the definition of the Trope "Even Evil Has Standards".

*Puts on nationalist hat* The British Empire couldn't have existed in 1497 because there was no Britain, it would have just been England *Takes off nationalist hat*

But I'd probably agree as well that as hard as it is to quantify evil, whatever definition it is Democratic Kampuchea is right up there.
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