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« on: January 12, 2005, 03:39:00 pm »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4169557.stm

The SA govt should be giving this man a medal, not bringing him to trial.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2005, 03:55:47 pm »
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White rule in various parts of Africa may not have been ideal, but look at the utter , murderous chaos that has filled its vacuum.  Africa needs benevolent dictators, they are not ready to civilly govern themselves.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2005, 03:58:05 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2005, 04:06:55 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.

Maybe, but now that these white rulers are gone why are all of these bad things happening?
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2005, 04:09:26 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.

Maybe, but now that these white rulers are gone why are all of these bad things happening?

Because the whites went in, ravaged these countries, and then left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an imperialist, but the Europeans made grave mistakes.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2005, 04:20:55 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.

Maybe, but now that these white rulers are gone why are all of these bad things happening?

Because the whites went in, ravaged these countries, and then left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an imperialist, but the Europeans made grave mistakes.

Ah, it is refreshing to meet a fellow imperialist

I agree, that actions and policies commited by Europeans in Africa have had a large contribution to the mess it is today.  Still, blaming it on Europe doesn't solve anything.  I would say in a short answer that Africa needs some severe westernization, they need a helping/guiding hand and it needs to be forced if necessary.  This should not be done to exploit European interests like before, but for the interests of Africans.  modernize and democracize
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2005, 07:11:56 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.

Maybe, but now that these white rulers are gone why are all of these bad things happening?

Because the whites went in, ravaged these countries, and then left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an imperialist, but the Europeans made grave mistakes.

Ah, it is refreshing to meet a fellow imperialist

I agree, that actions and policies commited by Europeans in Africa have had a large contribution to the mess it is today.  Still, blaming it on Europe doesn't solve anything.  I would say in a short answer that Africa needs some severe westernization, they need a helping/guiding hand and it needs to be forced if necessary.  This should not be done to exploit European interests like before, but for the interests of Africans.  modernize and democracize
Yet another "White Mans Burden"
First of all, Africa isn't just Africa, but many very diverse countries with different problems.
Second, African countries don't need "Westernisation" whatever that is - more sitcoms perhaps!
Many African countries are troubled by a very agricultural economy based on producing cash crops, but the value of agricultural products has been in a steady decline ever since independence, while the price of industrial products has risen a lot the last 50 years. At the same time the access to modern medicine has caused an increase in population that has little or no change of getting a job as long as the African countries continue to have a agriculturally based economy.

But why don't they start to produce industrial products. First of all, limited acces to capital (primary lenders are IMF and the World Bank) and fierce competition on the world marked
And the second and very important reason protective trade tariffs in the OECD countries effectively limiting or even killing the competative possibilities they might  have had of selling any manufactured products.

Of cause there are numerous other reasons - bad governance, brain drain, corruption (but that didn't stop Italy), but the unability to enjoy real free trade is the main obstacle to African development
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2005, 07:32:13 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.

Maybe, but now that these white rulers are gone why are all of these bad things happening?

Because the whites went in, ravaged these countries, and then left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an imperialist, but the Europeans made grave mistakes.

Ah, it is refreshing to meet a fellow imperialist

I agree, that actions and policies commited by Europeans in Africa have had a large contribution to the mess it is today.  Still, blaming it on Europe doesn't solve anything.  I would say in a short answer that Africa needs some severe westernization, they need a helping/guiding hand and it needs to be forced if necessary.  This should not be done to exploit European interests like before, but for the interests of Africans.  modernize and democracize

Is that you Rudyard Kipling?  Jens basically covered all I was going to say.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 07:34:32 pm »
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Some would argue that it's white rule that caused most of these problems.

Maybe, but now that these white rulers are gone why are all of these bad things happening?

Because the whites went in, ravaged these countries, and then left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an imperialist, but the Europeans made grave mistakes.

Ah, it is refreshing to meet a fellow imperialist

I agree, that actions and policies commited by Europeans in Africa have had a large contribution to the mess it is today.  Still, blaming it on Europe doesn't solve anything.  I would say in a short answer that Africa needs some severe westernization, they need a helping/guiding hand and it needs to be forced if necessary.  This should not be done to exploit European interests like before, but for the interests of Africans.  modernize and democracize

Is that you Rudyard Kipling?  Jens basically covered all I was going to say.
Sorry for stealing your line ;-)
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 08:54:05 pm »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4169557.stm

The SA govt should be giving this man a medal, not bringing him to trial.

exactly right

by the by where did you get that picture of marge, i couldnt find one of her that would fit
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2005, 07:18:37 am »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4169557.stm

The SA govt should be giving this man a medal, not bringing him to trial.

exactly right

by the by where did you get that picture of marge, i couldnt find one of her that would fit

I simply went to the google image search and typed in Margaret Thatcher. Then I just scanned the pictures until I found one that was the right size.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2005, 01:13:58 am »
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What a pity that the coup failed.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2005, 06:31:50 am »
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Strip the drone of his baronetcy!

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