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« on: May 24, 2012, 01:05:29 pm »

When are the numbers going to be released for May?  Friday, June 1 or June 8?  I can't find it online.
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 01:11:32 pm »

June 1, 8:30 AM EST
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 01:22:26 pm »

June 1, 8:30 AM EST

Thanks!  Do you have a URL where I can find that?
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 03:44:38 am »

June 1, 8:30 AM EST

Thanks!  Do you have a URL where I can find that?

bls.gov/ces
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 08:45:27 am »

June 1, 8:30 AM EST

Thanks!  Do you have a URL where I can find that?

bls.gov/ces

Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 06:13:06 pm »

We are about 13 hours from the numbers being released?  What are we expecting for the month of May 2012?
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 09:50:27 am »

Seems like it'd be easier to have a single megathread for these monthly job reports Tongue

Numbers released today: http://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788

May 2012:
+69,000 jobs
April 2012 revised down from +115,000 to +77,000
March 2012 revised down from +154,000 to +143,000
U-3 unemployment +0.1 (rises to 8.2% from 8.1% in April 2012)
U-6 unemployment +0.3 (rises to 14.8% from 14.5% in April 2012)
Labor force participation rate +0.2 (rises to 63.8% from 63.6% in April 2012)
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 10:05:38 am »

Unambiguously awful numbers, and everyone should panic a little.

Obviously now is the perfect time for another debt limit fiasco!
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 10:19:21 am »

Ouch.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 10:32:34 am »

At least this will spur Congress to pass further economic stimulus like any high school economics textbook teaches, right? Right?
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 11:12:25 am »

With the May jobs report looking puny and with March and April now considerably worse than they were originally, this is definitely not good news for President Obama or Senate Democrats.  I've got a feeling somewhere in New England, Winfield is jumping up and down with this jobs report.  I've also got a feeling we may be staring at the final 7 1/2 months of the Obama Presidency.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 11:12:37 am »

At least this will spur Congress to pass further economic stimulus like any high school economics textbook teaches, right? Right?

How much debt do you think the US  can stand to accrue trying to prime the "unprimeable" pump, doing the same thing that really didn't do much before?  Macroeconomics sucks. So many have an opinion about something so few understand, to the extent it is even understandable.  Heck even the gurus are confused. Sometimes you just don't get the behavior changes that you expect.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 11:17:57 am »

Could it just be that people are just unreliable instead of there being too few resources or too many barriers of entry or trade constraints?

This could simply be a coordinated cartel of super wealthy employers who have conspired to put someone who will "play ball" in the White House...think of it as a Billionaires' Strike against the Obama and the Democrats.

Then again, it could simply be an issue that we have no one to sell stuff too because everyone else in the world has run out of money. Then again, this wouldn't be an issue if we started reining in free trade.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 11:58:02 am »

Maybe Obama should propose a >$1 trillion dollar giant laser that will zap illegal immigrants as they cross the border. This form of stimulus might actually pass the House.
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 12:04:48 pm »

Ouch.

Core 25-54 Employment Rates Still Near Historic Lows
By DAVID HOGBERG, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

The unemployment rate rose slightly to 8.2% in May, holding above 8% for the 40th straight month, the Labor Department reported Friday.

http://news.investors.com/article/613346/201206010854/working-age-employment-rates-near-historic-lows.htm


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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2012, 02:16:24 pm »

There's good in the bad. Oil prices continue to fall and the falling 10-year bond rates could help spur the housing market.
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2012, 03:27:38 pm »

There's good in the bad. Oil prices continue to fall and the falling 10-year bond rates could help spur the housing market.

But interest rates are already at rock bottom for years. If there's no Aggregate Demand, no investment will occur. The Fed can create a shock-and-awe policy by promising to do whatever it takes to create six digits of jobs for months for two years. It's heretical, but things need to be done.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2012, 04:27:35 pm »

At least this will spur Congress to pass further economic stimulus like any high school economics textbook teaches, right? Right?

How much debt do you think the US  can stand to accrue trying to prime the "unprimeable" pump, doing the same thing that really didn't do much before?  Macroeconomics sucks. So many have an opinion about something so few understand, to the extent it is even understandable.  Heck even the gurus are confused. Sometimes you just don't get the behavior changes that you expect.

The stimulus appeared to lack efficacy because at the same time the biggest measures were kicking in 2010, states were carrying out ravaging budget cuts and public employee layoffs that served to diminish its positive effects. At the same time the stimulus obviously was designed to be smaller than it should have been and lacked the most effective measures to appease Collins, Snowe and Specter. The stimulus was ineffective because it wasn't large enough and because it didn't address the state and muni budget problem properly; not because stimulus "doesn't work".
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 04:32:43 pm »

 Obviously it's not desirable for the US to keep piling on debt until the end of time, but the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Depression isn't the time to start cutting government spending.

The problem with the austerity approach is that it's never been an attempt to solve the crisis, but an attempt to use it as an excuse to slash government.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2012, 05:17:58 pm »

Obviously it's not desirable for the US to keep piling on debt until the end of time, but the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Depression isn't the time to start cutting government spending.

The problem with the austerity approach is that it's never been an attempt to solve the crisis, but an attempt to use it as an excuse to slash government.

I find it hilarious how some people would like the paint the picture of this debate being between people who favor racking up debt and people who are against deficits. It's almost comical how dumb that argument is.
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2012, 05:41:19 pm »

Oh, wow, just noticed that labor force participation is actually up. How long has it been since that happened?
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2012, 06:20:40 pm »

Oh, wow, just noticed that labor force participation is actually up. How long has it been since that happened?


Baby boomers retiring and Gen Y not jumping in at the rate 18-29's used to is depressing the rate.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2012, 07:05:00 pm »

Maybe this will force the Fed to actually do something to address the jobs situation.
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2012, 07:44:19 pm »

Oh Oakvale, you're such an optimist.
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2012, 08:28:25 pm »

At least this will spur Congress to pass further economic stimulus like any high school economics textbook teaches, right? Right?

How much debt do you think the US  can stand to accrue trying to prime the "unprimeable" pump, doing the same thing that really didn't do much before?  Macroeconomics sucks. So many have an opinion about something so few understand, to the extent it is even understandable.  Heck even the gurus are confused. Sometimes you just don't get the behavior changes that you expect.

The stimulus appeared to lack efficacy because at the same time the biggest measures were kicking in 2010, states were carrying out ravaging budget cuts and public employee layoffs that served to diminish its positive effects. At the same time the stimulus obviously was designed to be smaller than it should have been and lacked the most effective measures to appease Collins, Snowe and Specter. The stimulus was ineffective because it wasn't large enough and because it didn't address the state and muni budget problem properly; not because stimulus "doesn't work".

Well I admire your confidence at least. The downside, is that the first step to knowledge is awareness of one's own ignorance. I have at least got to step one. Smiley
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