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« on: June 05, 2012, 08:00:41 pm »

according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 08:28:48 am »

http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 05:30:12 pm »

http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
the rest are secular and don't identify with any type of Judaism.

You are incorrect to say that Jews who are not adherents to synagogues "don't identify with any type of Judaism." Maybe their identification as Jews is meaningless to you and other Orthodox Jews, but you don't get to decide how they self-identify, and you certainly don't get to apply this to polls where self-identification is the issue and they are counted as Jews. After all, the Satmars would consider you a goy.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 06:32:49 pm »

I take it you're conceding the rest of the post where the fact that you don't consider Jews not affiliated with temples to be Jewish is immaterial if they identify as Jewish to a pollster or anyone else.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2012, 08:02:22 am »

So by the same standard, any self-identified Christians who don't belong to a church are not actually Christian. Then the percentage of non-Christians in the country is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than normally reported (per ARDA's data that would put Minnesota as 43% non-Christian for example when the last Pew survey has us as 14% (13% unaffiliated and 1% non-Christian religions). That's quite the discrepancy. Also if there are synagogues that are as sloppy at membership numbers keeping as many churches are those numbers could underestimate even the number of Jews affiliated with a synagogue (and it seems Reform synagogues would be more likely to do this than Orthodox.)

There are loads and loads of Reform and Conservative Jews who will go to synagogue on the High Holidays but not affiliate with the synagogue during the year - they wouldn't be on the rolls but still identify as Jewish. They don't have to affiliate with a temple to have a seder and eat matzo for Passover. They aren't secular and identify as Jews in their lives and presumably to pollsters. Of course, if you go to a Reform synagogue twice a year or every week, you're still not a real Jew by the standards of Orthodoxy. That's fine for religious beliefs—NY Jew can label several million people however he wants in his head and the heads of his community—but it doesn't apply to demographics and psephology.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2012, 08:29:33 am »

you have no clue about the Orthodox Jewish community.

Quite possibly, and you are equally ignorant about the 80+% of American Jews who aren't associated with Orthodox or Hassidic Jewry, because you don't need to know anything beyond that they aren't at your level of observance or follow your denomination's beliefs.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 04:07:15 pm »

Should "No True Scotsman" be renamed "No True Jew"?

"No True Landsman"
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