Danish Election!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

As for the unemployment figures, that's due to a change in reckoning standards...and people know that.

Unusually for a change in calculating unemployment figures (oh, btw there's a thread on that in the international general politics thingy. You are needed) it's actually added *more* people to the list of unemployed... the complete opposite of what the Tories did over here in the '80's...

[minionofmidas]

As for the unemployment figures, that's due to a change in reckoning standards...and people know that.

Unusually for a change in calculating unemployment figures (oh, btw there's a thread on that in the international general politics thingy. You are needed) it's actually added *more* people to the list of unemployed... the complete opposite of what the Tories did over here in the '80's...

It wasn't supposed to turn out that way...it seems the fools who did the math really believed that a slightly stricter means test
a) would catch hold of lots of people
b) wouldn't simply be lied in
Elitist dumbasses...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It wasn't supposed to turn out that way...it seems the fools who did the math really believed that a slightly stricter means test
a) would catch hold of lots of people
b) wouldn't simply be lied in

Why on earth would they think that?

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I understand why now...

[Jens]

Hey, you three. Don't you go stealing this thread and transform it into a German discussion. Talk about an insult ;-)

[Jens]

And the latest poll, in an effort to reconquer this thread!!!


A 25,8% 46
B 7,7% 14
C 10,0% 18
D 1,2% 0
F 7,7% 14
K 0,9% 0
O 12,1% 22
V 30,6% 55
Ø 3,4% 6
Others 0,6%

Government V & K + O = 95 M
Opposition ABFØ = 80

4 % needed to change the majority not counting the North Atlantic mandates that looks like: Goverment = 0 Opp. = 4.
In that case a 3% change is enough

The Socialdemocrats (A) seems unable to gain any momentum

[minionofmidas]

Ø 3,4% 6
F 7,7% 14    Interesting upswing on the far left.
A 25,8% 46
B 7,7% 14
D 1,2% 0
K 0,9% 0
C 10,0% 18
V 30,6% 55
O 12,1% 22 On the far right too, though...

[Jens]

Ø 3,4% 6
F 7,7% 14    Interesting upswing on the far left.
A 25,8% 46
B 7,7% 14
D 1,2% 0
K 0,9% 0
C 10,0% 18
V 30,6% 55
O 12,1% 22 On the far right too, though...

It looks better for SF and EL, but yes, Danish People's Party and their xenophobic retoric has a strong support in certain groups.
By the way, Denmark recieved an official complaint from Turkey after DPP used the Turkish flag in an ad. The flag was placed like the cigaret in a "no smoking"-sign. The Turks found that quite offensive..... I wonder why.
DPP are a disgrace to our country!

[Umengus]

Ø 3,4% 6
F 7,7% 14    Interesting upswing on the far left.
A 25,8% 46
B 7,7% 14
D 1,2% 0
K 0,9% 0
C 10,0% 18
V 30,6% 55
O 12,1% 22 On the far right too, though...

It looks better for SF and EL, but yes, Danish People's Party and their xenophobic retoric has a strong support in certain groups.
By the way, Denmark recieved an official complaint from Turkey after DPP used the Turkish flag in an ad. The flag was placed like the cigaret in a "no smoking"-sign. The Turks found that quite offensive..... I wonder why.
DPP are a disgrace to our country!

 I hope that never Turkey will be in EU.

In France too, It's a used-argument to vote "no" on the EU constitution referendum.

[Notre Dame rules!]

If you guys really want to do Europe a favor, you might want to try something novel like having a child, two if you're smart. 

Italy's birthrate is falling so fast that Italy will cease to be Italian in less than 50 years.   The rest of Europe isn't far behind.   Europe is the new home of Islam.  I guess you guys better learn how to get on your knees again, but this time you'll be facing East five times a day.  Hmmm...Maybe then you'll realize that going to Mass once a week wasn't so bad after all. 

[Jens]

If you guys really want to do Europe a favor, you might want to try something novel like having a child, two if you're smart. 

Italy's birthrate is falling so fast that Italy will cease to be Italian in less than 50 years.   The rest of Europe isn't far behind.   Europe is the new home of Islam.  I guess you guys better learn how to get on your knees again, but this time you'll be facing East five times a day.  Hmmm...Maybe then you'll realize that going to Mass once a week wasn't so bad after all. 

Oh, shut up or just learn to read statistics!

[Notre Dame rules!]

Or..You can shut up and learn to speak Arabic.  I'm betting that will happen sooner.

[minionofmidas]

Actually, I tried that once.

Italy has a very low birth rate...but it's also got one of the lowest immigration rates in Western Europe.

[Jens]

Or..You can shut up and learn to speak Arabic.  I'm betting that will happen sooner.

Well, this just goes to show that you have no idea about what the situation is in most European countries. True, there is Arab speaking refugees and immigrants, but the largest group are the Turks and there are also large groups of Iranians and Pakistanians, all of whom speak different indo-european languages, but not Arabic

Second, the immigrant groups are very diverse and can hardly be looked upon as a single group. That would be like claiming that Italian and Irish immigrants in the US were one homogenous group....

Third, the calculations that claim that muslims is going to outnumber christians in 50 years, are very flawed. True, the birth rate are higher for 1st generation immigrants, but drop sharply already for 2nd generation, and they become more secular especially the women.

So lighten up and stop claiming that church attending rates are any significant factor in determing what direction any country are heading ;-)

[Notre Dame rules!]

Here are some of the U.N.'s  projections based on current birthrates in Europe.

Italy's population will fall from 57 million to 45 million by by 2050.

Spain's will fall from 40 million to 37 million in the same time frame.

Germany will fall from 80 million to 25 million by the end of the century.

According to Deutsche Bank, even if Germany were to allow 250,000 immigrants a year into the country, the population would still fall to 50 million by the end of the century.

In 2000, 7% of all children born in the EU were Muslim.  In Brussels, that figure was 57%.  If conditions remain static, 10% of EU nationals will be Muslim.

And finally, 89% of Europe's population growth is due to immigration.

Admittedly, the US has problems of its own in regards to immigration, but at least our immigrants are culturally compatible.  Yours, on the other hand, regard the host nations as infidels.  I have no problems with with Arabs per se.  I have several Arab friends, though most are Maronite Christians or Chaldeans.

If you want to see what a large subversive population can due to a sovereign nation, you have only to look at France.   

At any rate, that's my final comment on your immigration problem.

[Jens]

It's election day (and I'm up bloody early)

The government has a slight lead but nothing is decided yet. It could become a close race - and I will probably not se any of it, because I will be bussy counting votes! :-D

(reward to the first American that posts the results ;-)

[Notre Dame rules!]

 Venstre 29%
 
 Social Democrats 25%

 Danish People's Party 13.2%

 Conservative People's Party 10.3%
 
 the smaller parties have proportionately smaller totals.


  It appears that Denmark is in the grip of the left.

[Silent Hunter]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4245239.stm

[Jens]

The Result

The Government:
Ventre: 29,0 % (-2,2) 52 (-4)
Konservative Folkeparti: 10,3 % (+1,2) 19 (+3)

Support:
Dansk Folkeparti: 13,2 % (+1,2) 24 (+2)

Opposition

Socialdemokratiet: 25,9 % (-3,2) 47 (-5)
Radikale Venstre: 9,2 % (+4,0) 16 (+7)
Socialistisk Folkeparti: 6,0 % (-0,4) 11 (-1)
Enhedslisten: 3,4 % (+1,0) 6 (+2)

Kristendemokraterne: 1,7 % (-0,6) 0 (-4)
Centrum-demokraterne: 1,0 % (-0,8) 0
Minoritetspartiet: 0,3 % (+0,3) 0


The government suffered minor losses while the Socialdemocrats had their one of the worst elections since 1920. Their leader resigned yesterday evening because of the result. The social-liberal party, Radikale Venstre, had their best election in 30 years, but failed in capturing just enough mandates to have a majority with the government (RV lacks just 1 mandate).
This means that Ventre and Konservative probably still will rely on Danish Peoples Party, who gained 2 mandates (and is just as xenophobic and rascist as always)

The of the Centre Democrats, the Christian Democrats and the Minority Party to reach the 2% limits results in the lovest number of parties in the Diet since 1971

[minionofmidas]

That's without the Faeroer and Greenland seats, right?
Yeah well, all I'll say on the matter of the result is...you have pretty accurate pollsters.

[Notre Dame rules!]

oops!   My bad.

[Jens]

That's without the Faeroer and Greenland seats, right?
Yeah well, all I'll say on the matter of the result is...you have pretty accurate pollsters.

Yep, the Faeroe seats are too close to call. It looks like a mandate for the Republicans (a socialist party much like SF) and the People's Group (supports Venstre in the Diet) but the Socialdemocrats are close so nothing is decided.

In Greenland the is some major snowstorms so only Nuuk has been able to gather the votes, but it looks like a mandate to Inuit Ataqatigiit (An SF like party) and Siumut and  Atássut are fighting over the other mandate

And yes the pollsters are getting better. It helps when you use a sample of 1400-1500 people in a country with 5,5 million inhabitans (not the same sample in a country with 290 million ;-)

[Jens]

oops!   My bad.

Nothing strange about that. Venstre translates into Left, but it has nothing to do with their political stance. The name originates from the days where there were two parties in the Diet: The farmers party and the land lords party, called Left and Right because they were seated to the left and right in the Diet. Right later changed its name but Left kept theirs. That also explains why we have a party called The Radical Left, thats neither radical nor left, but a centre social-liberal party. RV left Left in 1905 and were at that time the radical wing of Left. summa summarum, names are strange

[WMS]

The center didn't do well, huh?

[Jens]

The center didn't do well, huh?

They did. Even though the Christian Democrats didn't made it, the Social-liberals gained 7 mandates making it a +3 gain for the centre. The special situation is that for the first time since 1973 there is only one centre party and for the second election in a row the centre do not hold the desicive votes. That is bad, especially because the conservative continue to accept the coorparation with the extreme right

[Bono]

Go Venstre!