French Legislative Elections 2012: Official Results Thread

[minionofmidas]

If Coronado is elected, I'll probably commit suicide.

These constituencies have been decided 2 years ago and, in the UMP, they weren't able to make a good work on the field ?... Bah...
But, nevertheless, let's remember that Marleix himself said it would be balanced between left and right in these "French abroad" constituencies.

The turnout is disgusting, especially when I see how my vote will be wasted next Sunday.
God, I'm really angry.
Some general counsellors are beaten with more votes...

Not the turnout is disgusting, the bizarre notion that French citizens abroad should have fptp constituencies is.

[big bad fab]

If Coronado is elected, I'll probably commit suicide.

These constituencies have been decided 2 years ago and, in the UMP, they weren't able to make a good work on the field ?... Bah...
But, nevertheless, let's remember that Marleix himself said it would be balanced between left and right in these "French abroad" constituencies.

The turnout is disgusting, especially when I see how my vote will be wasted next Sunday.
God, I'm really angry.
Some general counsellors are beaten with more votes...

Not the turnout is disgusting, the bizarre notion that French citizens abroad should have fptp constituencies is.

Why not in theory ?
And the system doesn't change anything I think.

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Tons of people want to disenfranchise me, it seems.

[Хahar 🤔]

Of course citizens living abroad should be able to vote, but in their home constituencies. I don't see how someone could be a member of the National Assembly of France while living in another country entirely.

[batmacumba]

Of course citizens living abroad should be able to vote, but in their home constituencies. I don't see how someone could be a member of the National Assembly of France while living in another country entirely.

In a country with Jus Sanguinis It would make sense. But, being France a Jus Soli country, It's really contradictory.

[minionofmidas]

The notion that citizens living far abroad and not intending to return home in the short run nonetheless have an interest in the composition of the national assembly, while those actually affected by it on a daily basis and paying taxes for its upkeep but who are not citizens should not be, is the notion that a country is basically a company and citizenship is basically a share. Next thing you'll be demanding dividends out of the treasury.
And sure enough, Western countries have no problems with the international upper middle class aquiring shares in multiple countries, but are very against third world immigrants doing so.
The notion just screams "I like Representative Government but have an exterminatory hatred of Democracy" (it's not the same thing, you know.) Using single-member constituencies is just rubbing it in.

[batmacumba]

They'd already tried to rule lots of countries in the 90's, but through financial blackmail. Once It stopped working, they seem to be adhering to representative democracy. I wouldn't be very surprised if these constituencies, together with those of fancy neighbourhoods started mattering more than the normal guys ones.

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I didn't know this discussion had anything to do with the election results... oh wait, it doesn't! Let's cut it short then

[batmacumba]

Don't bother with us. We've got no organization sense.

To get out the deviation. Is there a typical international constituency voter?

[minionofmidas]

I wouldn't be very surprised if these constituencies started mattering more than the normal guys ones.

I would be. These elections appear to turn out just as farcical in France as in Italy. I wonder what kind of connection these MPs can have to either their "constituency" or the people they'll actually make laws for...

[opebo]

The notion that citizens living far abroad and not intending to return home in the short run nonetheless have an interest in the composition of the national assembly, while those actually affected by it on a daily basis and paying taxes for its upkeep but who are not citizens should not be, is the notion that a country is basically a company and citizenship is basically a share. Next thing you'll be demanding dividends out of the treasury.
And sure enough, Western countries have no problems with the international upper middle class aquiring shares in multiple countries, but are very against third world immigrants doing so.
The notion just screams "I like Representative Government but have an exterminatory hatred of Democracy" (it's not the same thing, you know.) Using single-member constituencies is just rubbing it in.

Hear hear!  But I will say, I have an awful lot of French friends over here, and they're all pathetically poor teachers (redundant I know) who vote left-wing.

[batmacumba]

I wouldn't be very surprised if these constituencies started mattering more than the normal guys ones.

I would be. These elections appear to turn out just as farcical in France as in Italy. I wonder what kind of connection these MPs can have to either their "constituency" or the people they'll actually make laws for...

Before the Gendarme comes back...

I see Italian and French International Congresspeople in quite a different way. First, Italy has a not so old emigration tradition (I'm comparing with the first European settlers) and this people tends to maintain a strong relation with their original country. My greatgrandfather came from Italy, yet my mother's generation is still identifiable as Italo-Brazilian and some of my cousins, despite not having the strong culturally Italian behaviour anymore, hold Italian citizenship. The same happens in Argentina, Uruguay, Canada and the USA. Those who remained in Europe don't have, in the other hand, the penchant for cultural homogeneity one can historically find amongst Germans, so there is a weaker feeling of apartness from the communities abroad. Hence, the matter of international constituencies in Italy may be interpreted as sentimentalism, and so, as You put, farcical.

The matter of French International Constituencies must be another, unless We believe they want to bring Quebecois, Acadiens, Cajuns, exiled people's children born in France, all back to Maman Marianne. It makes much more sense to interpret this as a way to give space at interior matters policies to this caste of upper-middle and upper class people who lives abroad working with the operation of financial matters. Sure, I see I'm exaggerating the impact of these people in the bulk of French people abroad, for the sake of a good storytelling, but I still won't be surprised If, in the future, this stopped being marginal.

The notion that citizens living far abroad and not intending to return home in the short run nonetheless have an interest in the composition of the national assembly, while those actually affected by it on a daily basis and paying taxes for its upkeep but who are not citizens should not be, is the notion that a country is basically a company and citizenship is basically a share. Next thing you'll be demanding dividends out of the treasury.
And sure enough, Western countries have no problems with the international upper middle class aquiring shares in multiple countries, but are very against third world immigrants doing so.
The notion just screams "I like Representative Government but have an exterminatory hatred of Democracy" (it's not the same thing, you know.) Using single-member constituencies is just rubbing it in.

Hear hear!  But I will say, I have an awful lot of French friends over here, and they're all pathetically poor teachers (redundant I know) who vote left-wing.

There are some of those here, too. They marry with locals and start having such kind of jobs as language teachers, chefs, gourmet bakers, or make their ways inside academy (what a Paris-N diploma can do for academical career...). But, when you go to São Paulo or Rio, It's basically about financial system and CEO's.

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Not that discussion doesn't have value, but it's gone waaaaaaaay too far off topic. I'll lock this thread for good measure until Sunday

[Hash]

Reopened. Behave yourselves.

[Antonio the Sixth]

5 minutes to go !

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FN 13.7%

Haha, go die in a fire, bitch.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Raw numbers are quite good for the left, but that doesn't mean much. "Seat projections" are useless.

[minionofmidas]

Reopened. Behave yourselves.

Never!

Lemonde says

Right 35.4
Left 34.9 not including Greens
FN 13.4
FG 6.9
Greens 5.3
Mo Dem 1.5
far left 1.0
non-FN far right 0.1
various 1.5

turnout 57.1

48% for the left all told. That's pretty landslidey isn't it?

[Andrea]

Patrick Lebreton and Huguette Bello re-elected in Reunion.

UMP incumbent René-Paul Victoria fails to qualify to run off in the first Reunion constituency. PS vs MoDem. MoDem can take the other UMP seat (7th) too.

Annick Girardin (RDG) easily re-elected in Saint Pierre et Miquelon
Oure-Mer minister Victorin Lurel re-elected in Guadalupe IV.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

About the same sort of lead as in 1981, so...

[minionofmidas]

Oure-Mer minister Victorin Lurel re-elected in Guadalupe IV.

Majorities for Socialists in three constituencies there actually, but low turnout means the other two need to go to a runoff anyways. Same in one constituency in Martinique.

[Andrea]

Triangulaire on paper in Wallis and Fatuna


M. David VERGÉ (DVD)   28,80
M. Mikaele KULIMOETOKE (DVG)   19.40   
M. Albert LIKUVALU (RDG, incumbent)   17.00     (13.12% of total electorate)
M. Epifano TUI (SOC)      13.17   
 M. Antonio ILALIO (CEN)      12.37
M. Simione VANAI (SOC)      9.26   

[Andrea]

Oure-Mer minister Victorin Lurel re-elected in Guadalupe IV.

Majorities for Socialists in three constituencies there actually, but low turnout means the other two need to go to a runoff anyways. Same in one constituency in Martinique.

The 1/4 rule looks a bit silly though. It's not they will have a stronger mandate if they are forced to run off in an equally low turnout.

[minionofmidas]

First mainland results: Lot.

1st RDG 41.5, UMP 25.3 (FG 9.7, AC 6.5, FN 6.4, EELV 4.4 etc pp)
2nd PS 52.8, PR 20.4 (FN 9.9, FG 7.9 etc pp). Jean Launay elected.

[minionofmidas]

Lozere.

PS 33.1, UMP (Morel) 27.4, UMP (St Leger) 17.8 and eliminated. Note that Morel was the dissident.