Italy 2013: The official thread

[Antonio the Sixth]

So Monti would have run under Terzo Polo?

This is politics-fiction, so don't take it too seriously. But considering how Casini has been Monti's top fanboy from the beginning, that would probably be the most likely situation if he ever runs.

[SPQR]

So Monti would have run under Terzo Polo?

The Terzo Polo is dead,as Casini said,but a centrist coalition built around Monti was UDC's dream scenario.
And a few people in PdL and PD liked it as well,I think.

[Keystone Phil]

So Monti would have run under Terzo Polo?

The Terzo Polo is dead,as Casini said,but a centrist coalition built around Monti was UDC's dream scenario.
And a few people in PdL and PD liked it as well,I think.

I know, I know.    I'm just asking if Monti was going to run, would Terzo Polo be his coalition.

[SPQR]

So Monti would have run under Terzo Polo?

The Terzo Polo is dead,as Casini said,but a centrist coalition built around Monti was UDC's dream scenario.
And a few people in PdL and PD liked it as well,I think.

I know, I know.    I'm just asking if Monti was going to run, would Terzo Polo be his coalition.

Probably more than that.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The "Monti coalition" as imagined by the media would include all the parties that currently back the government, from PD to PdL. It is, however, far from being a likely scenario.

[Keystone Phil]

It will never end - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/silvio-berlusconi/9391524/Silvio-Berlusconi-set-to-run-again-to-become-Italian-prime-minister.html

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Wait...what? Why?

[Antonio the Sixth]

[SPQR]

This time I will seriously stop talking to anyone considering to vote for Berlusconi.
1994,1996,2001,2006,2008,2013

Ridicolous.

[Peter the Lefty]

Omg imagine a Vendola vs. Berlusconi vs. Grillo election.  That would be...colorful.  

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Oh Christ. I honestly do not care to imagine the sort of Italian who would vote for him again now.

This is worse than Maurice Duplessis. With effort I can think of levels on which Duplessis was perhaps not a flagrantly despicable human being.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Eh, in 1994 there were still large numbers of Italians who voted for successor parties to those destroyed by the scandals.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Eh, in 1994 there were still large numbers of Italians who voted for successor parties to those destroyed by the scandals.

The fact that there are people who would still vote for PdL after everything is not what surprises me the most. Every major party has its core base of diehard supporters which nothing could make them change their minds (see PASOK, for example). What really creeps me out is the idea that Berlusconi's return could somehow help the PdL to regain lost voters.

[Vosem]

I was going to come here and post about Berlusconi coming back but I see predictably this has already been discussed.

What really creeps me out is the idea that Berlusconi's return could somehow help the PdL to regain lost voters.

This made me smile broadly. I'm not sure why.

[Velasco]

Berlusconi, smiles... Only caymans come to my mind, I don't know why. I feel sorry for the Italians that I met who felt ashamed of their country when Il Cavaliere was in office. All Europe is full of mediocre politicians, starting from Spain and the PM Rajoy and following by a bunch of myopic, stubborn or jingoistic guys looking for short-term solutions or in search of alibis and scapegoats. Berlusconi is out of these rankings, he deserves his own category. Hope that someone secludes him at Vila Certosa and never leave him go out again.

[batmacumba]

As for the dutch election, some work on data:





as It can be seen, M5S primarily hurts the right, but the trend is of loosing momentum, after this year elections. I know that LN is traditionally colored green, but I've chose something nearer to international standards.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Thanks for your work, Batmacumba.

For some reason, the Italian polling archive hasn't been updated since June 19. I can't find any poll after then...

[batmacumba]

Yeah, that's weird. The english language wikipedia has an archive that goes to july 24. These graphics stops at 17. I'll update them.

[Peter the Lefty]

Well, I just read Vendola announced on Wednesday that he's running in the primaries.  Any news on what his prospects seem to be right now, Antonio?  Have any other candidates declared?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I've not been following italian news since a while, sorry.

Anyways, I planned to start my polling tracker, but I can't find the recent polls anymore. Shame...

[Keystone Phil]

Well, I just read Vendola announced on Wednesday that he's running in the primaries.  Any news on what his prospects seem to be right now, Antonio?  Have any other candidates declared?

It was mentioned earlier that Vendola apparently isn't much of a factor anymore. Of course, Bersani is also a candidate.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, I just read Vendola announced on Wednesday that he's running in the primaries.  Any news on what his prospects seem to be right now, Antonio?  Have any other candidates declared?

It was mentioned earlier that Vendola apparently isn't much of a factor anymore. Of course, Bersani is also a candidate.

Has Renzi made up his mind ?

[Keystone Phil]

Well, I just read Vendola announced on Wednesday that he's running in the primaries.  Any news on what his prospects seem to be right now, Antonio?  Have any other candidates declared?

It was mentioned earlier that Vendola apparently isn't much of a factor anymore. Of course, Bersani is also a candidate.

Has Renzi made up his mind ?

I didn't know he was a rumored candidate. I also don't know much about him aside from the fact that he's the Mayor of Florence. Maybe italianboy can help us with this one...

[Peter the Lefty]

Well, I just read Vendola announced on Wednesday that he's running in the primaries.  Any news on what his prospects seem to be right now, Antonio?  Have any other candidates declared?

It was mentioned earlier that Vendola apparently isn't much of a factor anymore. Of course, Bersani is also a candidate.

I know, but would he still have a better chance than Bersani or the other candidates?  Plus, once he starts campaigning, I'm sure his star will rise again (since he's very good at public speaking).  Plus, as I've said, I'd love to see a Vendola vs. Berlusconi vs. Grillo race. 

[Keystone Phil]

I think Bersani is the safe bet. Though, aside from Prodi, we have seen what safe bets have gotten the Italian Left...