Italy 2013: The official thread

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh for Christ's sake.

My reaction as well.

[Andrea]

Re Lazio regional elections
Zingaretti is a good candidate. I guess PdL/Right already wrote it off probably concentrating their efforts on Rome mayorality which is up in spring. I guess few know who Lorenzin is (compared to Gasparri and Storace).

Silvio this morning:

http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/elezioni-politiche-2013/berlusconi-botte-in-testa-al-giornalista-dell-espresso/116242/114658

Who is running against Alemanno?

They haven't picked up a candidate yet

[Antonio the Sixth]

OH GOD, now there are talks of a "pact" between Monti and Bersani... Just what Berlusoni needed to come across as the "real alternative"...



HOW CAN THE ITALIAN LEFT BE SO FUCKING RETARDED?!?!?!? HOW?!?!?!?

[RogueBeaver]

What kind of pact?

[Antonio the Sixth]

What kind of pact?

Don't know for sure, something along the lines of a coalition agreement if nobody gets an absolute majority (something that would probably happen anyways, but which it's UTTERLY STUPID to talk about BEFORE the GODDAMN ELECTIONS).

[RogueBeaver]

Presumably for Senate purposes, since the COD has the majority bonus. That could mean Bersani wants a buffer from his party's left wing.

[Keystone Phil]

I wonder how much support would jump from IBC to Ingroia/De Magistris out of protest for aligning with the "evil austerity" regime.

[Keystone Phil]

Bersani hits 40% in most recent poll (Piepoli) but Berlusconi up to 30%...

Italia. Bene Comune -  40%

Center-right -  30%

Con Monti per l'Italia -  10%

M5S -  10%

Rivoluzione Civile -  4%

Others -  2%

[Antonio the Sixth]

Bersani hits 40% in most recent poll (Piepoli) but Berlusconi up to 30%...

Italia. Bene Comune -  40%

Center-right -  30%

Con Monti per l'Italia -  10%

M5S -  10%

Rivoluzione Civile -  10%

Others -  2%

RC at 10%? This looks like a joke.

Also, the fact all coalitions are at exact tenths of support is pretty weird. Where do you get these numbers?

[Keystone Phil]

Bersani hits 40% in most recent poll (Piepoli) but Berlusconi up to 30%...

Italia. Bene Comune -  40%

Center-right -  30%

Con Monti per l'Italia -  10%

M5S -  10%

Rivoluzione Civile -  10%

Others -  2%

RC at 10%? This looks like a joke.

Also, the fact all coalitions are at exact tenths of support is pretty weird. Where do you get these numbers?

No, no. That was a typo on my end. They're at 4%.

The coalitions aren't at exact tenths of support (except, go figure, in this poll. That stood out to me). I usually round to the nearest one though I guess I shouldn't.

I check the Wiki page for the election's opinion polling and the official government site.

[SPQR]

I wonder how much support would jump from IBC to Ingroia/De Magistris out of protest for aligning with the "evil austerity" regime.

None.
They get their votes from people who don't vote as of now,and especially from left-leaning Grillo voters.

[Peter the Lefty]

I'm torn.  For so long, I've been imagining my hypothetical Italian self voting for SEL.  Now, I'm thinking that the Orange Movement might be better.  I mean, even if they oppose Monti's reforms, SEL will basically be propping up Monti.  And he wants to keep them, if I'm correct.  Plus, it seems like no European center-left party is capable of coming to power and not ing everything up with more austerity.  But this is tricky. 

[Tender Branson]

10% gap only ?

If the Italians elect Berlusconi again, the country should probably be put under tutelage.

[Iannis]

Bersani hits 40% in most recent poll (Piepoli) but Berlusconi up to 30%...

Italia. Bene Comune -  40%

Center-right -  30%

Con Monti per l'Italia -  10%

M5S -  10%

Rivoluzione Civile -  4%

Others -  2%

Actually the latest poll from Piepoli (not one of the best pollsters...) is:

Italia. Bene Comune -  40%

Center-right -  30%

Con Monti per l'Italia -  14%

M5S -  10%

Rivoluzione Civile -  4%

Others -  2%

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

It will never sease to amuse me that even though an over-whelming majority of elections gets closer when the election is near, there will always be a number of posters freaking out becaue of it.




 

[minionofmidas]

10% gap only ?

If the Italians elect Berlusconi again, the country should probably be put under tutelage.

That appears to be Merkel's notion of how all of Southern Europe should be governed.

[Iannis]

It will never sease to amuse me that even though an over-whelming majority of elections gets closer when the election is near, there will always be a number of posters freaking out becaue of it.




 

I completely agree. Many don't undersatand that meny voters simply don't answer to polls when elections are far, they are not interested, and when electon is near udually the get a little bit more aware and end up voting the same party as before.

[Kitteh]

It will never sease to amuse me that even though an over-whelming majority of elections gets closer when the election is near, there will always be a number of posters freaking out becaue of it.

I completely agree. Many don't undersatand that meny voters simply don't answer to polls when elections are far, they are not interested, and when electon is near udually the get a little bit more aware and end up voting the same party as before.

To be honest I'm more worried about what will happen after the election than the election itself. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but I'm very worried that the PD/center-left will end up making some kind of coalition with Monti in the Senate and continuing his policies combined with some token leftist stuff like raising taxes on the rich and/or Bersani ending up being a borderline incompetent leader like Hollande.

[Keystone Phil]

Hardball

[Antonio the Sixth]

Pathetic.

[RogueBeaver]

Lowest common denominator. But as LBJ said in another context, don't get in a pissing contest with a polecat.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lowest common denominator. But as LBJ said in another context, don't get in a pissing contest with a polecat.

Very true. I've always said Monti made a very stupid choice and would probably lose a lot by entering in the political playing field.

He's already lost a lot of his "integrity" advantage by promising the same tax cuts as everybody else despite having been the one who raised taxes to their current levels. Monti is a good person, but politics are making him lose a lot of the good he had.

[Andrea]

SWG showed just a 6% lead this morning
However, Tecné (SKY's pollster) continues to show its usual 11% lead.

PD have excluded 3 people from their lists (2 in Sicily and 1 in Campania). 2 others have stood down on their own. They are quite dubious characters with some trials in their CV.

Pannella makes an election alliance with Storace in Lazio. LOL.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, heard about this in tonight's TG. Seriously, have they lost it?

(I mean, Pannella has always been slightly crazy, but he seemed also very principled to me)

[Keystone Phil]

I'm just thankful Pannella's pal isn't a candidate especially after almost winning last time.