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« on: June 11, 2012, 12:11:47 AM »

That's just compiled from Wikipedia rankings.

Real list is:

10. Clinton
9. Eisenhower
8. Nixon
7. LBJ
6. Wilson
5. Truman
4. Reagan
3. FDR
2. Lincoln
1. Dubya
There's a lot of problems with that list.  All those arithmetic values are arbitrary.  Is the gold standard really more important than whether someone supported Dred Scott?  Lincoln loses points for being a supposed "white supremacist" in spite of all his policies to the contrary, meanwhile Jackson and Van Buren don't lose any for supporting the gag rule against anti-slavery speech in Congress. And Reagan doesn't get any credit for lowering taxes?
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🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
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Posts: 25,687
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Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 03:28:10 PM »

That's just compiled from Wikipedia rankings.

Real list is:

10. Clinton
9. Eisenhower
8. Nixon
7. LBJ
6. Wilson
5. Truman
4. Reagan
3. FDR
2. Lincoln
1. Dubya
There's a lot of problems with that list.  All those arithmetic values are arbitrary.  Is the gold standard really more important than whether someone supported Dred Scott?  Lincoln loses points for being a supposed "white supremacist" in spite of all his policies to the contrary, meanwhile Jackson and Van Buren don't lose any for supporting the gag rule against anti-slavery speech in Congress. And Reagan doesn't get any credit for lowering taxes?

Lincoln wanted to deport all black people to Liberia, and attempted to have them colonize Île à Vache, British Honduras, Chiriquí Province, and various other places to get them out of the US. Seems pretty racist to me.
You need to keep a historical perspective here.  If you are doing a historical ranking, you need to consider where Lincoln stood compared to others of his day, and whether he was an improvement on what came before.  On matters of the rights of blacks he was better by far than any President before him besides the Adamses, and better than some who came after him. 
Lincoln didn't want to deport all black people - he wanted to establish a voluntary program. Colonization was a very common position of those who opposed slavery. A misguided attempt to deal with fears about post-slavery racial conflict, yes, but there's no need to consider it racist in the context of the times, and he abandoned that position halfway through his term anyway.
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