Opinion of radical feminism

[k-onmmunist]

it's yr. choose.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Depends how you define it (obvious).

If you mean the radical rebuttal of any gender-based stereotype or discrimination, then I'm a radical feminist.

[k-onmmunist]

Depends how you define it (obvious).

If you mean the radical rebuttal of any gender-based stereotype or discrimination, then I'm a radical feminist.

the wikipedia definition then:

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[Beet]

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Liberal feminists also locate the root cause of women's oppression in patriarchal gender relations. The actual differences I can see between radical and liberal feminism is (1) the radical feminists still see patriarchy as prior to all other forms of oppression, whereas liberal feminists see it as part of an intersecting complex of oppressions encompassing class, race, sexual identity, disability, and any number of other things (2) the radical feminists have a much more essentialist view of gender that does not accept transgender women as women (3) the radical feminists are willing to critique women for their choices that are perceived by the radical feminists to uphold the patriarchy, such as wearing makeup or doing sex work (4) there's a definite correlation between feminist misandry and radical feminist identification.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Aren't radical feminists the kill-all-men group?

[k-onmmunist]

Aren't radical feminists the kill-all-men group?

a lot of it comes down to that (and/or all sex is rape)

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Horrifically horrible ideology.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Horrifically horrible ideology.

[Redalgo]

HI. My reasons for opposing it are somewhat similar to those underlying my rejection of Marxism.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Womyn are the master race!

(HI)

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Horrifically horrible ideology.

[The Mikado]

Of course this thread would be a colossal trainwreck.

If Nathan wants to start a feminism thread with actual thought in it, I'm ready to participate.

[Goldwater]

Horrifically horrible ideology.

[Antonio the Sixth]

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Well, I fundamentally agree with this, with a couple nuances. I don't think the establishment of a patriarchal order is the result of a willful effort from men to oppress women, but I rather think its roots are inconscious, as a remnant of animality in humanity (for such reason, many women can be themselves defenders of patriarchy). Also, I think men are often victims of the patriarchal order, since, just like women, they are assigned an "essence" and are forced to abide to certain canons of virility. While the oppression might be less brutal (because economic and social success is easier for a man), it probably causes sufferance among men as well.

[k-onmmunist]

Of course this thread would be a colossal trainwreck.

If Nathan wants to start a feminism thread with actual thought in it, I'm ready to participate.

I was more curious to see what the approval ratings would be like.

[Free Palestine]

Radical feminism, as in the Jane Fonda kind that talk about patriarchy?  FF

Radical feminism, as in the strawman radical few who say that all men are pigs and hate transsexuals?  HP

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Of course this thread would be a colossal trainwreck.

Yes, there are certain subjects that this forum is really better off avoiding...

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Of course this thread would be a colossal trainwreck.

If Nathan wants to start a feminism thread with actual thought in it, I'm ready to participate.

I'd be glad to. Give me a bit of time, since I'm feeling a bit sluggish and diffident but also have a lot that I'm supposed to get done. I should be able to have it up this weekend.

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Freedom ideology conceptually, but horrible ideology in the terribly gender-essentialist and at times obnoxiously anti-religious forms in which it's most vocal. Morgan put it...okay, though I wouldn't use Jane Fonda as my preferred example.

[Free Palestine]

Freedom ideology conceptually, but horrible ideology in the terribly gender-essentialist and at times obnoxiously anti-religious forms in which it's most vocal. Morgan put it...okay, though I wouldn't use Jane Fonda as my preferred example.

Jane Fonda was just the one name I had on my mind, at the time.  As I had just read part of her Wikipedia article.

[Free Palestine]

Anyways, I much prefer radical feminists (the ones who aren't bigoted) to the liberal feminists who seem to think the only challenges facing women are legal things.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Radical feminism is almost a strawman sort of ideology that ultimately has the effect of trivializing feminism in general. I've always wondered if in fact it was deliberately incompatible with reality, though maybe that's just me.

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It's always hilarious when someone talks about how women are incredibly disadvantaged in terms of healthcare, and then you bring up that actually they live 7 years longer than men. They don't like facts like that. Of course if men lived 7 years longer, I'm sure we'd be hearing about how unfair that was non stop.

[Torie]

The definition provided does not help me. It seems like babble to me.  However, if RF embraces comparative worth pay (a typist should be paid as much as an oil rig worker regardless of what market pay is), then I am vehemently opposed to that.

[argentarius]

It's always hilarious when someone talks about how women are incredibly disadvantaged in terms of healthcare, and then you bring up that actually they live 7 years longer than men. They don't like facts like that. Of course if men lived 7 years longer, I'm sure we'd be hearing about how unfair that was non stop.

And employment rates, and the ratio of men to women who are victims of crime.

[Free Palestine]

It's always hilarious when someone talks about how women are incredibly disadvantaged in terms of healthcare, and then you bring up that actually they live 7 years longer than men. They don't like facts like that. Of course if men lived 7 years longer, I'm sure we'd be hearing about how unfair that was non stop.

I find it a bit unfortunate that America is a country where even the left is critical of feminism.