Barone: Rich liberals owned Obama into Keystone, Gay Marriage, Catholic fight

[Torie]

Barone has come up with yet another clunker, this one so bad, that in the spirit of this board it deserves its own thread. The hyperbole about rich liberal decor and venues is rather entertaining however.

[krazen1211]

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

[Miles]

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

lol

[mondale84]

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

It's an Obama War on White People, I tell ya!

[Lief 🗽]

Those poor oppressed white people!

[NVGonzalez]

[Maxwell]

oh golly, if rich liberals pushed Obama on all of those issues, imagine rich conservatives on Mitt Romney.

[AmericanNation]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

... excuse me?

[Marokai Backbeat]

... excuse me?

You're excused. Now move along.

[Indy Texas]

It amuses me when people determine the merits of rich people based on whether or not they agree with them.

To a Tea Partier, a hedge fund manager who donates to the Dems and to liberal causes is an elitist who's trying to screw over "real Americans." A hedge fund manager who donates to Republicans is a hard-working job creator who just wants the government to get off his back.

[TJ in Oregon]

An awful lot of the time Democracy is about getting stupid people to vote for you over reasons that don't make sense. Both parties do it all the time. There has long been a narrative that the Democratic Party is the party of coastal elites and the Republicans are the party of "middle America". Nothing really new hear. The narrative doesn't always make (though in this case, I'm not complaining ) I doubt there are many people out there, if anyone, all ready to vote for Romney who will change their mind and vote for Obama over this column by Michael Barone.

This is a play to get people like me to go out and vote against President Obama because he is hostile to my values. Of course I was going to do that anyway without someone telling me blah blah blah American blah blah constitution blah family values. In fact, the Republican Party would work a lot better if other like-minded individuals felt the same way instead of needing to be told. When Kathleen Sebelius first released the decision (in)famous birth control decision I felt like the administration was trolling me or something. But those are the times we live in I guess. I suppose by the time I have kids they'll get handed a box of 100 condoms on the first day of 5th grade and told to go have fun.

Back on topic, this is more of a Republican style class warfare piece, "coastal elites" vs. "real America", whereas the Democrats class warfare is "The 1%" vs. "The 99%".

[All Along The Watchtower]

... excuse me?

White people, as a group, are beneficiaries of the hierarchies that are deeply embedded in American society.

This doesn't mean, of course, that every white American benefits individually from those hierarchies. Far from it; most don't, at least not directly.  It just means that a lot more white people are middle class than non-white people in the US, and a lot more whites are upper class than non-whites.

But continue to champion the causes of white middle-to-upper-class America. You won't be out of step with the Republican Party, for one thing.

[WhyteRain]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

Which groups do deserve your paternalism and why?

[krazen1211]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

Lots of people don't  need to be taken care of, but the government seems to do so anyway. That creates resentment, and thankfully, the massive exodus of whites from the Democratic party due to the war on whites.


A state like Wisconsin is populated by a majority of non college whites who just voted in a landslide for Scott Walker because he shares their values.

[mondale84]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

Lots of people don't  need to be taken care of, but the government seems to do so anyway. That creates resentment, and thankfully, the massive exodus of whites from the Democratic party due to the war on whites.


A state like Wisconsin is populated by a majority of non college whites who just voted in a landslide for Scott Walker because he shares their values.

You need to stop snorting what you're snorting.

[WhyteRain]

... excuse me?

White people, as a group, are beneficiaries of the hierarchies that are deeply embedded in American society.

Where are these "deeply embedded hierarchies" that benefit exclusively white people?  Can you name a few?

[All Along The Watchtower]

... excuse me?

White people, as a group, are beneficiaries of the hierarchies that are deeply embedded in American society.

Where are these "deeply embedded hierarchies" that benefit exclusively white people?  Can you name a few?

I didn't say they benefit exclusively white people. There are many individuals who are not white, who also have benefited (Obama being a good example, for one.) There's a difference, however, between individual variation and a generalization of a group.

The hierarchies are social in nature, and they include access to jobs, housing, education, and other opportunities that white people have had more than non-whites. Why do you deny this?   

[homelycooking]

the war on whites.

I'd love to hear you explain this one.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

Lots of people don't  need to be taken care of, but the government seems to do so anyway. That creates resentment, and thankfully, the massive exodus of whites from the Democratic party due to the war on whites.


A state like Wisconsin is populated by a majority of non college whites who just voted in a landslide for Scott Walker because he shares their values.

Just to be clear, is your argument here that action taken to benefit minorities who are perceived to be structurally disadvantaged constitutes a 'war on whites' because access to opportunities and services is somehow a zero-sum game?

[krazen1211]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

Lots of people don't  need to be taken care of, but the government seems to do so anyway. That creates resentment, and thankfully, the massive exodus of whites from the Democratic party due to the war on whites.


A state like Wisconsin is populated by a majority of non college whites who just voted in a landslide for Scott Walker because he shares their values.

Just to be clear, is your argument here that action taken to benefit minorities who are perceived to be structurally disadvantaged constitutes a 'war on whites' because access to opportunities and services is somehow a zero-sum game?

In the long term, perhaps not. In the short term, government money and government favors are indeed finite. One can offer them either by taking from others, or taxing from others.

In general people favor the idea of lesser tax. This is particularly true of middle class whites!

[All Along The Watchtower]

Those poor oppressed white people!

This attitude goes a long way in supporting this statement. 

Well, yes, the Democrats don't care about middle class people, and especially middle class whites.

That actually meets the definition of irony.  You meant to weaken via mocking and you actually strengthened. 

White people, as a group, don't need to be actively 'cared about'.

Lots of people don't  need to be taken care of, but the government seems to do so anyway. That creates resentment, and thankfully, the massive exodus of whites from the Democratic party due to the war on whites.


A state like Wisconsin is populated by a majority of non college whites who just voted in a landslide for Scott Walker because he shares their values.

Just to be clear, is your argument here that action taken to benefit minorities who are perceived to be structurally disadvantaged constitutes a 'war on whites' because access to opportunities and services is somehow a zero-sum game?

In the long term, perhaps not. In the short term, government money and government favors are indeed finite. One can offer them either by taking from others, or taxing from others.

In general people favor the idea of lesser tax. This is particularly true of middle class whites!

Why do you suppose that is?

[Napoleon]

the war on whites.

I'd love to hear you explain this one.

Krazen is one of the best trolls on the forum.