WI-Sen: Marquette: Thompson leading Baldwin by 8

[DrScholl]

The Democratic Party is closer to some of the center-right parties (more economically liberal, though) in Europe than it is any Marxist Party anywhere.

[Gass3268]

This guy is the main influence of the Democratic Party in terms of economics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

[AmericanNation]

The Democratic Party has about as much influence from Marxism as the Republican Party has from Nazism.

Both are ridiculously childish claims.

I try to stay away from it, but democrats are playing with fire and I won't let people pretend they aren't.  For instance, tell me how Obama's concept of "fairness" isn't influenced by Marx.  Are say French Socialists influenced by Marx?    

[freepcrusher]

The Democratic Party has about as much influence from Marxism as the Republican Party has from Nazism.

Both are ridiculously childish claims.

I try to stay away from it, but democrats are playing with fire and I won't let people pretend they aren't.  For instance, tell me how Obama's concept of "fairness" isn't influenced by Marx.  Are say French Socialists influenced by Marx?    

well if you insist then whatever I say is fair game. I could easily argue that the GOP is descended from Billy James Hargis and Fred Schwarz (both of which I doubt you've heard of).

[AmericanNation]

anti-communists? from before my time.  I could see your argument applied to the Reagan administration perhaps. 

[Phony Moderate]

This thread serves as a very good reminder that Atlas is an internet forum.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

The Democratic Party has about as much influence from Marxism as the Republican Party has from Nazism.

Both are ridiculously childish claims.

I try to stay away from it, but democrats are playing with fire and I won't let people pretend they aren't.  For instance, tell me how Obama's concept of "fairness" isn't influenced by Marx.  Are say French Socialists influenced by Marx?    

So Marx is the first man to introduce the concept of "fairness?"  More importantly, anyone who believes in it is automatically a Marxist?  Yeah, okay.

Your outlook on politics is extremely narrow.

[Lief 🗽]

anti-communists? from before my time.  I could see your argument applied to the Reagan administration perhaps. 

Maybe read a little bit about American political history "before your time" and then come back to us.

[Zioneer]

Well, I'm not American so I'm maybe forgetting something, but for me, it's pretty clear that Democratic Party has no influence from Marxism. Even IIRC, some of the most anti-communist people during the Cold War were Democracts (Larry McDonald, Scoop Jackson).

As a Cuban-American whose parents knew real communism, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on Democrats being Marx-influenced.

I'll take the bait on this one.  My great-grandfather was murdered by communists.   

Sorry about your great-grandfather, but you still have no idea what you're talking about. Fairness is not a Marxist idea, not even if you're claiming that you mean "redistribution" by it.

And calling Obama a Marxist is incredibly ignorant, as he has done nothing that Marxists actually do. He's not even very leftist.

[AmericanNation]

You guys offer nothing but ad hominem attacks and than call me "narrow, ignorant, and uninformed."  The hypocrisy and the projection is sad.  Maybe use facts or intelligent thoughts next time.  Thanks. 

[Ichabod]

I didn't call you ignorant nor uninformed. I was just curious about your arguments about the Marxism influences over the Democratic Party (because, sorry, I don't see them).

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

You guys offer nothing but ad hominem attacks and than call me "narrow, ignorant, and uninformed."  The hypocrisy and the projection is sad.  Maybe use facts or intelligent thoughts next time.  Thanks.  

Don't blame us.  The way that you connect liberal ideas to Marxist ideas is completely absurd.  I suggest you study a bit more on these things before you make such atrocious claims.  Perhaps even read some of Marx's writings if it helps you see the difference.

[RogueBeaver]

Maybe AN can talk to us about the ground situation rather than this Marxism debate.

[AmericanNation]

debate the issue here if you have any actual thoughts about it. 

Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156203.0

RR, I'll post an update soon. 

[AmericanNation]

Neumann (via the national club for growth) goes after Thompson and Hovde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4LFYBPuEoE

Baldwin attacks (via Emily's list) Thompson and Hovde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ_EkcYXxyg&feature=player_embedded

Thompson continues his road sign themed commercials with a Harley-Davidson. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t0v4M2sUA4&feature=plcp

Fitz finally got some(not much) exposure going this week. 


My take is that it's clear Neumann and Hovde are fighting for the same votes.  Thompson has a base of support "pinned down", but he will have a hard time getting over 50% in the primary.  Fitz's only shot is a Santorum in Iowa like rise as the only remaining alternative.  Baldwin is afraid of Thompson (no shock), but she is also afraid of Hovde's money.  So, Neumann and Baldwin are becoming strange bedfellows.  Thompson still likely gets out of the primary as long as it stays crowded.     

Here's a summery of a lot of things from the paper. 
http://m.jsonline.com/more/news/wisconsin/162423746.htm

[RogueBeaver]

Good news, since this could well be 51.

[sg0508]

Keep in mind that democrats ALWAYS close well in WI and that the race ends up being tighter than it may appear by polls that previously favored Republicans. Kerry actually won an upset there in 2004 after trailing in WI the entire summer/fall and both democrats almost pulled it out in the 2010 midterms.

[AmericanNation]

Keep in mind that democrats ALWAYS close well in WI and that the race ends up being tighter than it may appear by polls that previously favored Republicans. Kerry actually won an upset there in 2004 after trailing in WI the entire summer/fall and both democrats almost pulled it out in the 2010 midterms.

hmm, I see your point, but:
1) no democrat has ever closed well against Thompson
2) the two dems lost by 3.5 (off the top of my head) points in 2010 and Feingold was a 3 term Senator.
3) ...Thompson may get incumbent like advantages without the disadvantages. 
3A) He has tremendous good will and name ID built up 
3B) He hasn't been in office doing anything unpopular
3C) The only people unhappy with him that he needs to vote for him are simply more/different conservative than he is.  He is a conservative not a moderate.   
3D) I predict almost all of his detractors on his right will back him after the primary.  It is a healthy decent they are expressing.   
4) Walker won by 7 points in 2012.  Thompson is better than 50/50 to beat that.