How will the Supreme Court's Health Care Reform ruling ...

[Franzl]

So Obama care is realy just another big Democratic tax after all, I hope Romney will make that clear and run against it

This also makes it easy for the House to vote for repeal agian

Yes Romney is going to run against the same thing he passed in Massachusetts.

I don't doubt he will. He doesn't place much value on being consistent.

[Dereich]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

[they don't love you like i love you]

So Obama care is realy just another big Democratic tax after all, I hope Romney will make that clear and run against it

This also makes it easy for the House to vote for repeal agian

Yes Romney is going to run against the same thing he passed in Massachusetts.

I don't doubt he will. He doesn't place much value on being consistent.

Of course not, but it's a good retort.

[they don't love you like i love you]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

The recession ended in June 2009. Obama signed the bill in March 2010.

[Dereich]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

The recession ended in June 2009. Obama signed the bill in March 2010.

Fine, he'll use a term like "economic slowdown". Semantics don't change the differences in circumstances.

[Franzl]

Raising taxes (and especially, raising them to realistic levels) is a very good thing in the United States.

[Brittain33]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

The recession ended in June 2009. Obama signed the bill in March 2010.

Fine, he'll use a term like "economic slowdown". Semantics don't change the differences in circumstances.

When you're explaining, you're losing.

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It would be fun to invent a time machine, go back a few hours, and say "Justice Kennedy will strike  the whole thing down. CNN will report that the mandate is dead", and watch the hilarious results.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

The recession ended in June 2009. Obama signed the bill in March 2010.

The recession hasn't ended!!!

[J. J.]

Raising taxes (and especially, raising them to realistic levels) is a very good thing in the United States.

Tell it to Walter Mondale.  

[Franzl]

Raising taxes (and especially, raising them to realistic levels) is a very good thing in the United States.

Tell it to Walter Mondale.  

He knew it himself. Good policy doesn't necessarily allow you to win elections, of course.

[they don't love you like i love you]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

The recession ended in June 2009. Obama signed the bill in March 2010.

The recession hasn't ended!!!

In what fiscal quarter since 2009 has the US had negative GDP growth?

[Franzl]

The only good news for Romney is that he can campaign against the mandate acting as a tax.

At which point Obama can point out that this is exactly how it works in Massachusetts.

To which he would reply: I didn't raise taxes in the middle of the worst recession in recent history.

The recession ended in June 2009. Obama signed the bill in March 2010.

The recession hasn't ended!!!

In what fiscal quarter since 2009 has the US had negative GDP growth?

The recession continues as long as a Democrat is President, silly.

[ag]

5 of the justices voted that the Commerce Clause doesn't allow for such things.

Well, trying to justify this w/ commerce clause, when tax authority was more then sufficient was pretty assinine to begin with.

[they don't love you like i love you]

5 of the justices voted that the Commerce Clause doesn't allow for such things.

Well, trying to justify this w/ commerce clause, when tax authority was more then sufficient was pretty assinine to begin with.

Yeah Roberts just used the same argument a lot of non-lawyer message board nerds were using.

[Dereich]

For a little bit of a change of pace, all of the deleted tweets of politicians are here: http://politwoops.sunlightfoundation.com/

There's quite a bit of hilarious rejoicing in there from the 10 minute period where everyone thought it was overturned.

[Brittain33]

I hate that after three wave elections I don't know who so many of these men are.

[krazen1211]

The Medicaid expansion would have offered health insurance coverage to 16 million people. Now states apparently can make up their own minds whether or not to accept the expansion – and that means if Florida, Texas and other big states knock it back, then there will be millions of Americans who will miss out on the healthcare reforms.

Then they can simply go be a drain in some other state.

[argentarius]

Nice outcome for Obama this, bad for the senate/house democrats.

[ajb]

The Medicaid expansion would have offered health insurance coverage to 16 million people. Now states apparently can make up their own minds whether or not to accept the expansion – and that means if Florida, Texas and other big states knock it back, then there will be millions of Americans who will miss out on the healthcare reforms.

Then they can simply go be a drain in some other state.

Or, if you're really lucky, they can get catastrophically ill without health insurance, require vast amounts of emergency care done pro bono by the existing healthcare system (and thus, ultimately at your expense), then be unable to work afterwards. Because then they wouldn't be a drain at all.

[Landslide Lyndon]

The Medicaid expansion would have offered health insurance coverage to 16 million people. Now states apparently can make up their own minds whether or not to accept the expansion – and that means if Florida, Texas and other big states knock it back, then there will be millions of Americans who will miss out on the healthcare reforms.

Then they can simply go be a drain in some other state.

Just like you are to this forum.

[WhyteRain]

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Personally, I think Roberts did something Machiavellian here.  He upholds a despised law and makes a tax of it.  The campaign commericials write themselves.

[milhouse24]

At least Roberts stated that this would be "a new tax" so that's clear. 

I was under the impression that Roberts hated Obama because he voted against his confirmation.

Perhaps Roberts wants to somehow force Obama to lose re-election, which could very well happen.

Senior citizens will still be upset about universal health care, Romney will promise to defund it or remove it. 

The economy will still slow down, now that businesses realize they will be paying more in taxes. 

Overall, I think this still hurts Obama amongst swing voters.  The angry sentiments of 2010 will still resonate in 2012 based on anti-Health care tea partiers. 

This decision will galvanize the lagging Tea Party movement once again.  This would only help Romney's growing support against Obama.

[Brittain33]

If Obama had lost this case, it would have undoubtedly been bad for him. It would have made him look like a loser who had few accomplishments. There's a reason Republicans were giddy after the oral arguments and today they're somber or even in hiding (see Boehner's delayed press conference.)

With that in mind, it's hard to see him as a loser for having the law upheld.

[WhyteRain]

I'm going to visit some of the rightwing blogs to see the fireworks.  Should be a lot of heads exploding over there.