SCOTUS has made Mitt Romney's candidacy utterly worthless

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Americans don't like new forms of taxes, I believe we fought England over taxes.  We're not afraid to fight the Fed over health care taxes.  

It actually might be cheaper to pay the tax (or fine) rather than pay the high monthly premiums.

Congratulations liberals, you are all sucking on the teet of Big HMO, we are now forced customers to corporations without freedom of choice.  We are now slaves to private Corporations, and there isn't much we can do to our new benevolent overlords.

Over 60% of Americans oppose the Health Care Mandate.  This is great news for Mitt Romney.  Now that Obama has embraced the mandate, voters will have a very CLEAR choice.  

Romney says he will repeal the Health Care Tax, and that will simply be enough to get middle class voters.  

Middle class citizens are screwed, their employers will pay the fine rather than pay for their monthly premiums, so the middle class will be forced to pay for Health Care out-of-pocket.  In addition, more employers will outsource rather than pay employee benefits or just go out of business.  Make no mistake about it, the local economies will grind to halt, as businesses freeze hiring and await the new rules, regulations, and taxes.  This will kill the local economy and I feel really bad for small town Americans.

[milhouse24]

Middle class citizens are screwed, their employers will pay the fine rather than pay for their monthly premiums, so the middle class will be forced to pay for Health Care out-of-pocket.  In addition, more employers will outsource rather than pay employee benefits or just go out of business.  Make no mistake about it, the local economies will grind to halt, as businesses freeze hiring and await the new rules, regulations, and taxes.  This will kill the local economy and I feel really bad for small town Americans.

1. Most people already get health insurance from their employers. Under what logic would a company that provided health insurance when it wasn't obligated to suddenly refuse to now that it is obligated?

2. I get so tired of this notion that people just sit on their hands because they are "uncertain" about taxes and regulation. There is never certainty in business. Businesses don't know what tax rates will be in 5 years or 10 years; they also don't know if some new technology is going to come along that makes their product obsolete or if a spike in the price of some input they use is going to create huge losses. Here in Texas, oil & gas companies are hiring people left and right; clearly they've withstood the "reign of terror" and the "uncertainty" that Obama and the EPA have inflicted.

Some mom and pop small businesses, like private law practices and other main street stores will prefer to take the cheaper "fine" rather than pay the more expensive premiums.  Some times premiums goes up if an employee gets diabetes or cancer.  So SMB owners will just let their employees pay out-of-pocket into the Govt Premium exchange, since its out there waiting for them.  Its more affordable and budget-friendly for small businesses under 49 people to just pay the lesser fine instead of the higher premiums, and now the govt option is a legitimate alternative for their workers. 

If you hire more people, you will have to pay their higher benefits, instead of taking on temps or freelancers.  There are many businesses that thrive on cheap labor and temps.  They hire illegal aliens because they don't have to pay them real wages and state employment taxes.  The irony is that if illegal immigrants get citizenship, they won't be able to claim cheaper salaries anymore (under that table), and the contractors that hirer illegals will just hirer the next guy who doesn't have citizenship. 

[milhouse24]

Which Mitt Romney? The one who said this?

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Mitt Romney thought that a mandate and taxes were a good idea when it came to RomneyCare. Why is it suddenly a bad idea when it comes to ObamaCare?

Why don't you understand that people in different states want different things.  Unlike rich liberals in California or Massachusetts, there are real people who don't want to pay for a mandatory health care tax or premium.  Some states don't have the money to budget for the HC exchanges, expanded medicaid, and they simply don't have the hospital/doctors available to meet the increased demand. 

[milhouse24]

The Florida poll shows that the percentage of people who disagree with DemocratCare (50%) is almost identical with the percentage that think it will make health care worse (47%) and that think it will make health care more expensive (51%).  http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=3c025172-d766-4ce7-928f-01f11c9c0671&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter  For your analysis to hold water, these figures would have to be far further apart.  Only 20% of respondents think DemocratCare will "make health care better" -- which is about the same percentage of Americans who self-identify as "liberals" and nearly all of whom would be in the 39% who supported the SCOTUS decision.  Only 12% think it will reduce health care costs.  (I also note that the Florida survey included only 61% white people; the Nov. 6th electorate will be substantially whiter than that.)

What you are neglecting is that for the most part, the people who think the ACA didn't go far enough believe that going to single payer will both improve the quality of health care and reduce its cost.

The most striking info from that poll is the following:

Should everyone in the United States be required to have health insurance?

	Republicans	Democrats	Independents
Yes	13%	59%	35%
No	86%	39%	58%
Not sure	1%	2%	7%

Should insurance companies be able to deny health insurance to those who have pre-existing medical conditions?

	Republicans	Democrats	Independents
Yes	27%	6%	14%
No	68%	85%	80%
Not sure	5%	9%	6%

It just goes to show that we have a nation of idiots, if so many people apparently think results would be desirable if we required insurance companies to issue insurance at will without requiring people to buy it.  That particular idiocy is somewhat more concentrated among Republicans than Democrats, but there is more than enough to go around.

Actually it proves that liberals want FREE stuff (discounts on pre-existing conditions).  

But republicans don't want to be mandatory taxed to pay for these discounts on the HC premiums.  

Of course everyone wants free stuff without paying for it.  Now we are gladly slaves to the Health Care industry.  Obama is not the president, its the president of Blue Cross, etc.  
The Insurance industry owns the POTUS.  

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Which Mitt Romney? The one who said this?

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Mitt Romney thought that a mandate and taxes were a good idea when it came to RomneyCare. Why is it suddenly a bad idea when it comes to ObamaCare?

Why don't you understand that people in different states want different things.  Unlike rich liberals in California or Massachusetts, there are real people who don't want to pay for a mandatory health care tax or premium.  Some states don't have the money to budget for the HC exchanges, expanded medicaid, and they simply don't have the hospital/doctors available to meet the increased demand. 

Oh! You're Sarah Palin! And no, California and Masschuseets aren't in Fake America, whatever it is.

If universal health care is so popular, then why didnt California pass it for their own state?

[milhouse24]

Look, liberals and republicans want health care for pre-existing conditions. 

Republicans just don't want to pay extra taxes. 

The universal health care mandate is just a way for all taxpayers to subsidize pre-existing conditions. 

There's no such thing as a free lunch.  And liberals sound like the Health Care companies are doing them a huge favor.  Well I would be pretty happy as an HMO executive if my customer base just doubled overnight.  (I think that's called a Monopoly). 

So liberals enjoy subsidizing corporations and corporate welfare, hooray!