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milhouse24
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« on: June 30, 2012, 11:23:07 PM »

The 2010 elections was a tide of anti-Obama and anti-Health Care activists coming out for a landslide defeat of Democrats everywhere. 

The Supreme Court ruling has approved Health Care and made it a big issue in the 2012 elections. 

Are Tea Party activists and anti-Health Care activists still strong enough to beat Obama and the Democrats a second time? 

Are there still an overwhelming majority of anti-Obama swing voters in the 2012?

Or will swing voters just accept defeat with the Supreme Court ruling. 
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milhouse24
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 11:52:16 PM »

Honestly? No.

Not that it still isn't politically potent.

People make a HUGE mistake to assume that a Midterm political dynamic will exist in the next presidential race, 1982 didn't impact 1984, 1994 didn't impact 1996... a lot of that comes down to demographics. There was a sharp drop in minority and youth involvement between 2008 and 10, which is normal for midterms.

But in 2012, there are many black voters that oppose universal marriage.  Also, many young voters are busy getting high than remembering about "HOPE AND CHANGE" like in 2008.  There is no Iraq War 'draft' for college students to fear getting drawn into. 

If Obama is counting on the Youth Vote in 2012, he's going to lose big.  That's my prediction at least.
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milhouse24
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 04:53:21 PM »

Just keep telling yourself that the mysterious "democratic base" was complacent and not excited for the 2010 elections. 

Now why would they be "not excited" about an election.  Maybe its because they actually disagree with the HC mandate.  Maybe that is why they sat home on the couch instead of voting.  Or maybe that is why some democrats voted for republicans because they were pissed off at Obama and the Congress. 

You answered your own question, but you apparently failed to see the rational logic behind your answer. 

Now you have the simple question of will the "democratic base" be "excited" to support Obama and democrats in 2012?  With a terrible economy and the HC issue, I am extremely doubtful, but you are free to see the world with rose-colored glasses.
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milhouse24
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 11:09:20 PM »

I see strong comparisons to 2006 and 2008.

In 2006, many Americans became anti-Bush and galvanized behind the anti-War movement to elect Democrats, with the momentum continuing with Obama in 2008.

Now, in 2010, many Americans became anti-Health Care and swept Democrats out of office.  It seems that in 2012, with the Health Care ruling relatively near the election only a couple months away, Americans will have enough time to mobilize in favor of Romney. 

For me, that just seems to be the direction that things are trending.  The anti-HC sentiment didn't just go away because of the Supreme Court.  The tea partiers are the new Code Pinkers.  Where is Cindy now?  Where are Obama's youth volunteers?  They are no where, and they will be no where in November.  Its because Obama supporters don't care anymore. 
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milhouse24
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 11:26:57 AM »

It will be a neutralizing issue as both candidates have staked out similar issues on Obamneycare. The economy will be much more of a factor in the fall campaign.  And people saw the way the way the GOP has acted when coming to congress as opposed to 2010 block, obstruct, and delay.  Obama will get through this election.

But do you think the Economy will get worse Because of Health Care?  Many companies don't like or don't know how high the Health Care Taxes/Fines will be.  This will force companies to keep freezing their hiring and freezing their expansion plans, until the taxes or fines are implemented.  Many companies are going to try to keep their business at 49 employees, how depressing is that? 

So to say that the Economy and Health Care repercussions are separate is very very ignorant.
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