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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2012, 06:23:52 PM »

Do you know anything about N.C.? I highly doubt you truly do. North Carolina is changing so very fast. The main cities are growing non-stop and getting more liberal by the day. The younger voters under the age of 40 are liberal minded.

Is that why the NC same sex marriage ban was upheld 2-1?
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2012, 06:32:26 PM »

Do you know anything about N.C.? I highly doubt you truly do. North Carolina is changing so very fast. The main cities are growing non-stop and getting more liberal by the day. The younger voters under the age of 40 are liberal minded.

Is that why the NC same sex marriage ban was upheld 2-1?

Except it wasn't a ban on same-marriage; it was effectively a ban on civil unions or anything else other than marriage between a man and woman. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2012, 08:31:54 PM »

Do you know anything about N.C.? I highly doubt you truly do. North Carolina is changing so very fast. The main cities are growing non-stop and getting more liberal by the day. The younger voters under the age of 40 are liberal minded.

Is that why the NC same sex marriage ban was upheld 2-1?

Except it wasn't a ban on same-marriage; it was effectively a ban on civil unions or anything else other than marriage between a man and woman. 

All the more strength to the argument that NC demographics are not exactly trending left.
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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2012, 09:07:27 PM »

Compare the results in NC to similar votes in MS, LA, and TX. You can't conclude something is or isn't trending by one election result, but note that a strongly Democratic state is one where SSM is defeated only narrowly (CA, OR, MI).
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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2012, 09:14:45 PM »

Do you know anything about N.C.? I highly doubt you truly do. North Carolina is changing so very fast. The main cities are growing non-stop and getting more liberal by the day. The younger voters under the age of 40 are liberal minded.

Is that why the NC same sex marriage ban was upheld 2-1?

Except it wasn't a ban on same-marriage; it was effectively a ban on civil unions or anything else other than marriage between a man and woman.  

All the more strength to the argument that NC demographics are not exactly trending left.

There are a lot of socially conservative Dems here that voted for it (like in districts 1 and 7).

Actually, the fastest-growing suburbs, those in Charlotte and  Raleigh, are normally Republican voting, but Amendment 1 did very poorly in those areas. I did some pretty extensive mapping on that.
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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2012, 01:08:22 AM »


No, what He said is a true statement, this year the black turn-out will not be as high. The excitement over electing the first black president is over so a lot of the black folks who only voted to elected Him will not turn out this year.

I call BS. Much of the polling I have seen has African Americans as the group most enthusiastic about voting in 2012. While there may not be the same first time thrill in voting for Obama in 2012 as there was in 2008 I think African Americans will have the Presidents back in 2012 and turnout.

Maybe, but polls can be miss leading.
So... You're defending a poll by claiming other polls can be misleading.
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2012, 09:47:30 AM »

The black turnout won't be as high this year, and that only just pushed Obama over the line, so lean Romney.

That assumes a lot that nobody can predict. Wishful thinking? 
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2012, 12:57:48 PM »


No, what He said is a true statement, this year the black turn-out will not be as high. The excitement over electing the first black president is over so a lot of the black folks who only voted to elected Him will not turn out this year.

I call BS. Much of the polling I have seen has African Americans as the group most enthusiastic about voting in 2012. While there may not be the same first time thrill in voting for Obama in 2012 as there was in 2008 I think African Americans will have the Presidents back in 2012 anHd turnout.

Maybe, but polls can be miss leading.
So... You're defending a poll by claiming other polls can be misleading.

I never said this poll was right or wrong..
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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2012, 01:00:31 PM »

Poll was done by SurveyUSA for Civitas. But considering that SUSA once had McCain up 20 against Obama in September, you shouldn't read too much into the Romney+5 lead.
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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2012, 01:08:26 PM »

Poll was done by SurveyUSA for Civitas. But considering that SUSA once had McCain up 20 against Obama in September, you shouldn't read too much into the Romney+5 lead.

PPP will be polling NC this weekend. Survey USA is not a creditable pollster, and I use it only to corroborate what others have found or what makes eminent sense. If it shows President Obama up 20 in California or down 20 in Kansas I would accept either one because those are so far off the margin that they couldn't be contested. 
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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2012, 01:13:36 PM »

Poll was done by SurveyUSA for Civitas. But considering that SUSA once had McCain up 20 against Obama in September, you shouldn't read too much into the Romney+5 lead.

PPP will be polling NC this weekend. Survey USA is not a creditable pollster, and I use it only to corroborate what others have found or what makes eminent sense. If it shows President Obama up 20 in California or down 20 in Kansas I would accept either one because those are so far off the margin that they couldn't be contested. 

Why do you think SUSA is not a credible pollster ?

They are actually one of the best (at least their final polls before an election).
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