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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2012, 02:03:05 PM »
I understand your point Redalgo but can't help but think we are coming here from different planets... you use the words "failed to measure up to the military's scrupulous standards" as though the military ought to lower its standards or make them more flexible. The reality is- the military has rules and procedures that must be followed to the letter or the military does not function. Do I agree with every OTH discharge- hell no!!! Take the Tea Party Marine who made a FaceBook page criticizing Obama. He got himself an OTH discharge and my bill would preclude him from VA benefits. I agree with him politically and believe the standard was harsh- but he broke the Uniform Code of Military Justice and went thru the tried system of military justice

I'd be more then willing to discuss legislation to amend the UCMJ...there are certain behaviors I agree do not warrant severe punitive action. Butas it stands- the law governing the military is clear and I believe benefits should be limited to those who serve without crossing well-identified lines. I believe in allowing certain leeway which is why those who received general discharges are still permitted to receive benefits
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2012, 10:24:52 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2012, 08:00:11 AM »
The vote has several days left and I will refrain from closing it until it expires or a desire to amend this bill has surfaced, at which point I will halt the vote.



Aye for now.
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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2012, 08:46:13 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 11:16:54 PM »
Changing my vote to Aye.
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« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2012, 08:37:40 AM »
Changing mine to abstain for procedural matters.


Like Reid's Nay vote on the Disclose Act. Tongue
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2012, 07:16:37 AM »
Two days until I close the vote.
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2012, 03:15:43 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2012, 04:03:05 PM »
Why can gays be allowed to do their gay pride parade stuff in uniform when Tea Party folk and anti-war vets like Adam Kokesh are getting the book thrown at them? If the gay community can have such rights the Tea Party and anti-war vets should too. The law is good but the enforcement seem to be more understanding of leftist causes over conservative and libertarian ones.
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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2012, 01:57:17 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2012, 08:59:44 AM »
« Edited: July 21, 2012, 09:03:29 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »
Vote on Final Passage of The Less than HONORable Service Peclusion of Benefits Act:

Aye (5): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, Scott, TJ in Cleve
Nay (3): Redalgo, sbane, Seatown
Abstain (1): NC Yankee

Didn't Vote (1): Wormyguy
Attempted to Vote Twice (1): Seatown

With five votes in the affirmative, three in the negative and time having expired, the bill is passed and presented to the President for executive action.
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2012, 11:22:19 AM »
« Edited: July 21, 2012, 11:34:25 AM by President Napoleon »
I have vetoed this bill.

Here is my redrafted version:
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2012, 01:40:50 PM »
I am disappointed with the Presiden'ts veto, but I believe his amended version is still an improvement over current policy- therefore I accept it as friendly
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2012, 07:34:11 PM »
Quote from: Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 21, 2012, 08:59:44 AM
Vote on Final Passage of The Less than HONORable Service Peclusion of Benefits Act:

Aye (5): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, Scott, TJ in Cleve
Nay (3): Redalgo, sbane, Seatown
Abstain (1): NC Yankee

Didn't Vote (1): Wormyguy
Attempted to Vote Twice (1): Seatown

With five votes in the affirmative, three in the negative and time having expired, the bill is passed and presented to the President for executive action.
oh F[inks] I thought we were voting again.
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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2012, 01:53:59 PM »
I thought we were as well, but I have been here long enough to know that you never go into an extra-ordinary procedure unless you know it is worth while. Hence why I conditioned my halting of the vote on the presence of a real desire to change the text. No amendments materialized so it didn't happen.


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« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2012, 02:04:19 PM »
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So I guess Clarence's acceptance of the changes as "friendly" constitutes the equivalent of "filling a motion to approve the redraft".
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2012, 02:06:57 PM »
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Senators, a vote is now open on the President's Redraft, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2012, 02:08:56 PM »
Aye.
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2012, 02:52:52 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2012, 08:51:57 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2012, 08:03:09 AM »
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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2012, 11:04:04 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2012, 11:12:49 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2012, 11:22:43 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2012, 07:09:11 PM »
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