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H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2012, 05:19:32 PM »

Personally, I'm convinced by the Governor's arguments.
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2012, 05:35:57 PM »

I fail to be. As a compromise, let us select Walden, NY as our capital.
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2012, 06:43:42 PM »

I fail to be. As a compromise, let us select Walden, NY as our capital.

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Simfan, Walden is certainly a picturesque village, and is well situated conveniently for the Northeast.  Besides this, can you explain your reasoning for Walden as a possible location please?
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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2012, 07:04:11 PM »

It is in a good location centered between the centers of Newburgh, Poughkeepsie, and Middletown, NY.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2012, 12:07:20 AM »

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I do not agree that because Walden is a small center that it is not suitable to become a capital area.  The Governor is exaggerating that locating the capital in this area will disrupt everyone's lives who live in the area.  Locating the capital in the Walden area will put this part of the state on the map, and will bring business and jobs to the area.

The way we have plans to build the capital area, wherever it is, a considerable amount of infrastructure will have to be constructed anyway.  The capital is being constructed from the ground up.  We will not be using existing buildings.  The village will not be demolished, it will be expanded, and the people who now live in the area will appreciate the boost to the local economy. 

The capital will not be in Walden itself, rather in the Walden area.  The Walden area is suitably situated to be an ideal location for the entire Northeast.   
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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2012, 08:36:24 AM »

Demolishing Walden is not an issue right now. The capital need not be Walden per se, simply in that triangle of Newburgh, Poughkeepsie, and Middletown, NY. Putting it in a dense urban center like New Haven, as you said Governor, would have adverse effects... but it would in Buffalo, or any other city. Putting it an area near cities would minimize those while the enforcement of New Urbanist development principles will take care of the rest.
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2012, 10:28:16 AM »

Demolishing Walden is not an issue right now. The capital need not be Walden per se, simply in that triangle of Newburgh, Poughkeepsie, and Middletown, NY. Putting it in a dense urban center like New Haven, as you said Governor, would have adverse effects... but it would in Buffalo, or any other city. Putting it an area near cities would minimize those while the enforcement of New Urbanist development principles will take care of the rest.

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The Governor implied that I had said we are building a new city.  This is a false assumption.  Because we would be building in the Walden area, or whatever area, does not mean we will be building a new city.  It means we willl be building a capital area in the area of an existing community.  We will most definitely not be building a new city. 

The above statement from Representative Simfan summarizes my meaning very well. 
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2012, 12:32:25 PM »

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That is absolute nonsense.  A capital area is the buildings and insrastructure for a modern, efficient capital.  It does not include the myriads of other buildings and infrastructure that an entire city has.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2012, 12:59:03 PM »

I assume he means that we'll only have to build government buildings and roads and stuff.
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2012, 01:09:51 PM »

I assume he means that we'll only have to build government buildings and roads and stuff.

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Pretty much this.  Thank you Representative Jones.

I still believe that Representative Simfan's suggestion for the Walden area is an excellent idea.
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2012, 01:14:09 PM »

The remainder should be left to the private sector, though I think suitable housing for the employees should be assured if requested.
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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »

You keep on making reference to our high speed rail network, which if it could reasonably connect Buffalo to the rest of the region could connect Walden or one of the nearby cities to it.

Stewart International Airport is already very close. In any case, almost all of those concerns would apply to a new sector in another city s well. Hospital, internet, again, the private sector.
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2012, 08:55:11 AM »

I am extending debate by another 24 hours.
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2012, 03:28:55 PM »

I intended to say 48. Members of the Assembly, which location do you prefer?
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H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY
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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2012, 05:01:44 PM »

Buffalo.
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2012, 05:09:13 PM »

We have reached an impasse, I fear. (No, I'm not jumping to conclusions) We might have to send this to the People.
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« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2012, 10:32:49 PM »

If we pass the bill right now, wouldn't that make New Haven the capital?
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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2012, 11:13:15 PM »

I urge Sen. Scott to table the bill.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2012, 11:31:16 PM »

So we're scrapping the entire idea, then?
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2012, 12:15:07 AM »

No, but the lack of consensus on where to place the capital makes any vote on this bill at present doomed to failure.
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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2012, 12:46:07 AM »

I will reluctantly table this.  That said, I assure the Assembly that this issue will NOT be going away due to its failure to reach a compromise.  I'm not going to point fingers at anyone in particular, but it does an extreme disservice to our region for Washington-style gridlock to infest itself in our politics, and the voters will keep this fresh in mind when they head to the polls next month.

I urge the Speaker to not introduce the Capital Act of 2012 until an agreement on this amendment can be reached.
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« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2012, 01:03:56 AM »

What harm has occured in Washington State? I do want a final proposal reached, perhaps more than you do, but I do not want to waste the Assembly's time in proposing legislation bound to fail. I can assure you I will to my best to keep the capital debate at the forefront of the Assembly's concerns.
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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2012, 01:10:33 AM »

What harm has occured in Washington State? I do want a final proposal reached, perhaps more than you do, but I do not want to waste the Assembly's time in proposing legislation bound to fail. I can assure you I will to my best to keep the capital debate at the forefront of the Assembly's concerns.

I understand that, and I think it's necessary for this discussion to persist outside the walls of this capitol.  I have created a thread to fulfill that purpose.  At some point, either side has to nudge.
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